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AIBU to be having nightmares over friends visit?

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Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 21:43

Having nightmares over old friends visit.

One of my closest friends is coming to visit over Christmas, after 10 years living abroad with only ocassional visits I should be excited but I’m actually terrified.

I was best mates with “Jane” since we were kids, we lived together during college and were absolutely inseparable. We really, really loved each other for years and went through a lot together. She is also good friends with my DH and my DD loves her.

During her time abroad she has met a lovely man, had a beautiful son (age 2) and started her own business.

She’s always suffered badly with depression and anxiety and her mental health has been fragile. Although in her new country she found some excellent therapists who really helped her. However lately she seems to be spiralling .

It started during Covid, I think she got very deep into social media. She’s always been very politically active and since she had her son the plight of children in Gaza has been a huge focus for her.

She’s always been very vehemently anti Israel since I’ve known her (We’re Irish and that’s very normal here).

She began to post pro-Hamas stuff just after the 7/11 attacks on Israel and immediately shared Hamas videos of the attacks ( the murder of Israelis and desecration of corpses etc.) With added commentary “This is beautiful to me.” “This is how freedom is gained.” Etc. A lot of Irish people are still quite pro-IRA and once again the support of Hamas isn’t that unusual but actually sharing the videos was extreme.

She then started posting videos of dead Gazan children pretty much continuously. Due to the time difference I can see most of her posting is done at night. I think she posts while feeding her son. Videos accompanied by “This is me.” “This is my son.” “I am Palestine.” kind of stuff. She said in one post that her ability to care for her son has been affected by the secondary trauma of what happening in Gaza.

Then recently she began to go from “Death to Israel” to “Death to the Jews.” She posted in Arabic and I translated it. It was an insta story and then disappeared. And since then she’s pretty much transitioned from anti-Israel to Anti-western and fairly drastic Antisemetic stuff “They didn’t gas enough of you” that kind of thing.

Then she went on to say recently that anyone who doesn’t agree with her should kill themselves or be killed and burn in hell etc…

Now here’s the thing: I’m Jewish, non practicing, I have relatives in Israel and lost a friend to the Hamas attacks. I’m disgusted by the Israeli government at the moment and have a lot of sympathy for the Gazan people but I don’t hate the Israeli people either. I am actually quite middle of the road politically.

Being Irish, Jewishness is is not something I have ever advertised and I’m actually not sure I’ve I ever told her. If she’s aware and doesn’t care or has forgotten and doesn’t mind me seeing her posts.

My mistake is that I never responded to any of her posts and never argued with her. She seems to think we’re totally cool. So she contacted me wanting to see me over Christmas for a day or 2.

I’ve been having nightmares about it. I’m scared I’ll say something or do something that upsets her and she freaks out, or something I do or don’t say triggers her mental heath problems and she hurts herself. I also feel bad that my dishonesty caused this situation. If I has said something last year she would probably have ditched me and never wanted to see me again.

I would like some advice on how to proceed.

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DancingOctopus · 10/12/2024 22:06

I am normally quite relaxed about having friends who have differing political opinions but I am afraid if someone was to say " They didn't gas enough Jews" that would be the end of the friendship fid me. I am not Jewish.

Bonjovispyjamas · 10/12/2024 22:07

She would be my ex friend now and I'd be having nothing to do with her.

DorotheaDiamond · 10/12/2024 22:08

I can’t imagine why you didn’t block her ages ago. She doesn’t deserve your friendship mental health issues or otherwise. Regardless of whether she knows you are Jewish or not her views are completely unacceptable and you know it.

your only choice is whether you block/delete her quietly or bother to tell her what you think about her attitude first.

Suzuki76 · 10/12/2024 22:08

I think I would message her and be honest. Say that as you're Jewish you're not going to be able to support her stance on this and that you won't be entering into any discussions about it. If she doesn't like that then you don't want to see her. Don't spend the next 2 weeks dreading this.

Bequietplease · 10/12/2024 22:08

I'm Jewish, non practicing, anti-Israel.

I wouldn't even dream of being friends with someone like your friend - total anti-semite and an ass for conflating Israel and Judaism.

Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 22:09

StevieNic · 10/12/2024 21:49

She is a racist and an extremist. Do not have her in your home. Just say you are going away, or ill.

You know what... I'm a fecking coward and I think I might go with the Covid excuse. thank you.

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Justcallmebebes · 10/12/2024 22:10

DancingOctopus · 10/12/2024 22:06

I am normally quite relaxed about having friends who have differing political opinions but I am afraid if someone was to say " They didn't gas enough Jews" that would be the end of the friendship fid me. I am not Jewish.

This. I'm as "everyone is entitled to their own views and opinions" as they come, but hell would freeze over before I welcomed someone with such vile views into my home

Trimbleton · 10/12/2024 22:10

I’m sorry, I’m Irish, live in Ireland and this is completely not normal. I’m not saying that people like this don’t exist - the awful chants have been heard on marches in the Uk and Ireland but her behaviour is crazy and I would not have someone like that in my home.

OnlySlightly · 10/12/2024 22:10

I absolutely reject your assertion that ‘many Irish people are pro-IRA’. And it is perfectly possible not to be ‘anti-Israel’ but to be horrified by what is happening to the people of Gaza. I have Israeli friends who have lost family, and I have Palestinian neighbours.

Shwish · 10/12/2024 22:11

DancingOctopus · 10/12/2024 22:06

I am normally quite relaxed about having friends who have differing political opinions but I am afraid if someone was to say " They didn't gas enough Jews" that would be the end of the friendship fid me. I am not Jewish.

Exactly. OP please don't let this nazi sympathiser around your family. Fuck her.

KTheGrey · 10/12/2024 22:11

Hard no on her coming under your roof. I would tell her you are so busy - shame - catch up next time - and let contact lapse. Ghost if necessary. She does sound a bit loopy as well as anti semitic and hostile. Best avoided.

MounjaroOnMyMind · 10/12/2024 22:11

DancingOctopus · 10/12/2024 22:06

I am normally quite relaxed about having friends who have differing political opinions but I am afraid if someone was to say " They didn't gas enough Jews" that would be the end of the friendship fid me. I am not Jewish.

Same here. She sounds insane, frankly.

I would message her saying, "You might not remember that I'm Jewish. I've seen what you've been writing online and it's shocked and horrified me. I don't want anything to do with someone with your beliefs."

SquawkerTexasRanger · 10/12/2024 22:12

Jesus Christ. Commenting on photos of dead children? She sounds completely messed up in the head. Is her partner and family aware that she does this sort of thing? I would be distancing myself completely from her. She doesn’t sound like the person you used to know if she’s descended into this level of fundamentalism . Run a mile

MounjaroOnMyMind · 10/12/2024 22:12

I'm shocked at you, that you'd say you had Covid rather than standing up for your ancestors, yourself and any children you might have.

Allihavetodoisdream · 10/12/2024 22:13

I am surprised the things she has been saying haven’t led to an instant block from you, not to mention banning from Instagram. I am also surprised that she has always been anti-Israel but that you being Jewish never came up. An unusual situation. Either way, she is massively racist and bit someone anyone would want to be around.

The friendship with this person is over. You just need to work out how to make that clear.

Franjipanl8r · 10/12/2024 22:13

Cancel the visit. She sounds absolutely nuts in a really dark way.

SidhuVicious · 10/12/2024 22:15

Um, I don't think it's a great idea for a Jewish person to host somebody that posts things like 'kill the Jews'.

Vaxtable · 10/12/2024 22:16

Just be honest tell her that you don’t agree with what she is posting so it’s better you don’t meet and let the friendship fade

FlatShoesOnly · 10/12/2024 22:16

She thought the Hamas slaughter was beautiful? And that not enough Jewish people were gassed? She’s abhorrent. You can be pro-Palestinian without holding views as extreme as those.

Pretend you have Covid, ghost her, explain how you feel and block her, put something on your Instagram about celebrating Hanukkah along with Christmas (I believe Hanukkah starts on 25 Dec this year) and she’ll probably block you.

But you don’t need to agonise about whether or not you should be meeting up with her or having her to stay surely?

fashionqueen0123 · 10/12/2024 22:17

DancingOctopus · 10/12/2024 22:06

I am normally quite relaxed about having friends who have differing political opinions but I am afraid if someone was to say " They didn't gas enough Jews" that would be the end of the friendship fid me. I am not Jewish.

This.

She sounds disgusting and tbh like someone needs to report her. She is bringing up a child?! She doesn’t sound right in the head.

Alwayslurkingsometimesposting · 10/12/2024 22:17

I would call her before the visit and remind her that you're Jewish. You can say that you fully sympathise with the plight of the Palestinians but what she's been saying about Jewish people in general is upsetting. If you say it gently and kindly hopefully it will sink in for her. She needs help to be extracted from this bubble, she's ruining her own mental health by the sounds of things and she has a tiny child too. You could gently say to her that she's allowed to turn away from this stuff sometimes for the sake of her own mental health and to be present for her child. Have the tricky conversation by phone first before she comes. I think you'll regret it if you dodge the visit entirely as it sounds like you have a lovely history together and that she needs help.

Octonaut4Life · 10/12/2024 22:18

I think it's fine to show support for Palestine and be against Israel's behavior as a nation. But this is actively racist, anti-Semitic behavior which is absolutely not okay. Regardless of your ethnic background you're well within your rights to not want to be anywhere near this woman - I'm not Jewish and I certainly wouldn't want to be her friend. The fact she has mental health issues doesn't mean you somehow owe her friendship regardless of how she behaved.

Codlingmoths · 10/12/2024 22:18

You certainly don’t have to disclose you’re Jewish. On Irish Catholic and I’d screenshot one of her extreme posts supporting genocide and send it saying thanks but I don’t feel like catching up this year, I just don’t have any space in my life for people who hold such extremely violent views.

Ceebs85 · 10/12/2024 22:19

How to proceed is that you don't proceed. You can't be friends with an extremist unless you share those views

InWithThePlums · 10/12/2024 22:20

It’s very sad that you’re worrying about accidentally upsetting her when she’s coming out with things like that! Good lord.

I’d definitely say illness though, unless you have the energy for a really horrendous argument with a woman who probably can’t be reasoned with.