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AIBU to be having nightmares over friends visit?

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Allinarow48 · 10/12/2024 21:43

Having nightmares over old friends visit.

One of my closest friends is coming to visit over Christmas, after 10 years living abroad with only ocassional visits I should be excited but I’m actually terrified.

I was best mates with “Jane” since we were kids, we lived together during college and were absolutely inseparable. We really, really loved each other for years and went through a lot together. She is also good friends with my DH and my DD loves her.

During her time abroad she has met a lovely man, had a beautiful son (age 2) and started her own business.

She’s always suffered badly with depression and anxiety and her mental health has been fragile. Although in her new country she found some excellent therapists who really helped her. However lately she seems to be spiralling .

It started during Covid, I think she got very deep into social media. She’s always been very politically active and since she had her son the plight of children in Gaza has been a huge focus for her.

She’s always been very vehemently anti Israel since I’ve known her (We’re Irish and that’s very normal here).

She began to post pro-Hamas stuff just after the 7/11 attacks on Israel and immediately shared Hamas videos of the attacks ( the murder of Israelis and desecration of corpses etc.) With added commentary “This is beautiful to me.” “This is how freedom is gained.” Etc. A lot of Irish people are still quite pro-IRA and once again the support of Hamas isn’t that unusual but actually sharing the videos was extreme.

She then started posting videos of dead Gazan children pretty much continuously. Due to the time difference I can see most of her posting is done at night. I think she posts while feeding her son. Videos accompanied by “This is me.” “This is my son.” “I am Palestine.” kind of stuff. She said in one post that her ability to care for her son has been affected by the secondary trauma of what happening in Gaza.

Then recently she began to go from “Death to Israel” to “Death to the Jews.” She posted in Arabic and I translated it. It was an insta story and then disappeared. And since then she’s pretty much transitioned from anti-Israel to Anti-western and fairly drastic Antisemetic stuff “They didn’t gas enough of you” that kind of thing.

Then she went on to say recently that anyone who doesn’t agree with her should kill themselves or be killed and burn in hell etc…

Now here’s the thing: I’m Jewish, non practicing, I have relatives in Israel and lost a friend to the Hamas attacks. I’m disgusted by the Israeli government at the moment and have a lot of sympathy for the Gazan people but I don’t hate the Israeli people either. I am actually quite middle of the road politically.

Being Irish, Jewishness is is not something I have ever advertised and I’m actually not sure I’ve I ever told her. If she’s aware and doesn’t care or has forgotten and doesn’t mind me seeing her posts.

My mistake is that I never responded to any of her posts and never argued with her. She seems to think we’re totally cool. So she contacted me wanting to see me over Christmas for a day or 2.

I’ve been having nightmares about it. I’m scared I’ll say something or do something that upsets her and she freaks out, or something I do or don’t say triggers her mental heath problems and she hurts herself. I also feel bad that my dishonesty caused this situation. If I has said something last year she would probably have ditched me and never wanted to see me again.

I would like some advice on how to proceed.

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the7Vabo · 12/12/2024 08:06

OpheliaWasntMad · 12/12/2024 07:53

”A lot” is such a vague phrase. I definitely agree the phrase needs to be challenged as it suggests those views are much more widespread.
There are still tensions in the North and absolutely NO ONE in my experience wants to go back to the sectarian violence of the past

Unfortunately I think there are those that do, small number obviously and that is a whole other thread.

i don’t understand why the OP needed to make Ireland part of this at all. Yes, there is more support for Palestine than in other countries but that isn’t s celebrating the death of Jewish people.

Her friend appears to be in a full mental health crisis, how far that mitigates what she said is for the OP to decide.

the7Vabo · 12/12/2024 08:09

BeSnappyOtter · 12/12/2024 02:15

And also about what OP actually said. Does using a like "A Lot" warrant this outrage? "A Lot" is a relative term. For some people a lot might be 5% for some 50% If the thing being measured is Hamas supporters in a western nation then 5% is a lot.

Yes it does. Posting that “a lot” of Irish people support the IRA on a UK website isn’t acceptable.

the7Vabo · 12/12/2024 08:12

BeSnappyOtter · 12/12/2024 00:13

The responses here do seem to be mostly Irish people taking an issue that affects Jewish people, probably the most oppressed group in human history, and making it all about their hurt feelings.

Irish people don’t like to be aligned with terrorists. Shocking really, they should really just accept such slander. Or they could call out that all racism and discrimination against any group is unacceptable.

Oddsocksanduglyshoes · 12/12/2024 08:13

Be honest say you’re uncomfortable with her political views and that you have family in Israel and are Jewish. It may be a relief to both of you to not spend time together. But be honest you have nothing to hide.

Happiestwhen · 12/12/2024 08:44

the7Vabo · 12/12/2024 07:47

That’s really a personal decision for you.

However you are completing ignoring Irish history. That history includes the IRA blowing up children in the UK. Not to mention the violence that the IRA inflicted on “it’s own” people.

My father was born in Northern Ireland and lived there during the height of the whole mess.

I also have first hand experience of witnessing racism against an Irish person in the UK.

So it is not acceptable to post on a UK website that “a lot” of Irish people support the IRA. It is not in any way comparable to The Netherlands.

You would think from your point of view that it was only the IRA who killed in the troubles, what about the various loyalist paramilitaries who also killed thousands of innocent people? You can't blame it all on the IRA , it wouldn't have been a war without retaliation.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 08:48

BeSnappyOtter · 12/12/2024 02:20

OK...I did some cursory googling and If you're worried about the international image of Ireland, have a word with your far left politicians who tweeted these on October 7th 2023 while the massacre was still happening and the murder videos were still streaming. Or your elected city councillor who still hasn't been fired for regurgitating nazi propaganda at a government meeting.

These people might not represent most Irish people but they got enough support to be voted into those positions and they thought the political and social culture friendly enough to their ideas to support them. They ran for election again so I’m assuming they weren’t run out of politics with pitchforks… That is indeed quite a lot of support for outright terrorism supporters and antisemites in a progressive country.

Em, OK. Your first PBP person is not even in Ireland. He is in Northern Ireland, which is a different country and part of the UK. The second ran as a candidate in the GE and was not elected.

Daradarina · 12/12/2024 08:50

Happiestwhen · 12/12/2024 08:44

You would think from your point of view that it was only the IRA who killed in the troubles, what about the various loyalist paramilitaries who also killed thousands of innocent people? You can't blame it all on the IRA , it wouldn't have been a war without retaliation.

That’s beside the point@Happiestwhen.
Nobody accused lots of Irish people of supporting loyalist paramilitaries on this thread.

the7Vabo · 12/12/2024 08:51

Happiestwhen · 12/12/2024 08:44

You would think from your point of view that it was only the IRA who killed in the troubles, what about the various loyalist paramilitaries who also killed thousands of innocent people? You can't blame it all on the IRA , it wouldn't have been a war without retaliation.

My comments were about the OP.

Ive no wish to get into who did/didn’t do what when. That’s a whole other thread and not one I would join.

I simply don’t want a statement on a UK website that “a lot” of Irish people currently support the IRA.

There was no need for the OP to mention Ireland in her post.

Happiestwhen · 12/12/2024 09:13

the7Vabo · 12/12/2024 08:51

My comments were about the OP.

Ive no wish to get into who did/didn’t do what when. That’s a whole other thread and not one I would join.

I simply don’t want a statement on a UK website that “a lot” of Irish people currently support the IRA.

There was no need for the OP to mention Ireland in her post.

But a lot of people in Ireland do support the "old" IRA in Ireland, she's right. And we have a right to, they stood up against an oppressor and fought back our country. It's part of our history and always will be. We can't rewrite the past. Maybe she should have said the old IRA in the OP.

What about all the loyalist paramilitary flags that fly in NI in July? A lot of people harp on about how awful the IRA were which makes it sound so one - sided. It's inportant to remember that the loyalist paramilitaries were just as bad. People in GB only see that one side.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 09:31

The OP said A LOT of people in Ireland STILL support the IRA.

YesHesAPlonker · 12/12/2024 09:40

BeSnappyOtter · 12/12/2024 02:20

OK...I did some cursory googling and If you're worried about the international image of Ireland, have a word with your far left politicians who tweeted these on October 7th 2023 while the massacre was still happening and the murder videos were still streaming. Or your elected city councillor who still hasn't been fired for regurgitating nazi propaganda at a government meeting.

These people might not represent most Irish people but they got enough support to be voted into those positions and they thought the political and social culture friendly enough to their ideas to support them. They ran for election again so I’m assuming they weren’t run out of politics with pitchforks… That is indeed quite a lot of support for outright terrorism supporters and antisemites in a progressive country.

This.

Irish Jews are telling you they are experiencing antisemitism and you are all (yes, generalising here) effectively saying "nah, not us, we're just worried about the poor Gazan babies". Cop on. So many posts on here implying the OP is not really Irish when as an IRISH Jew she is referring to her experience.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 09:45

YesHesAPlonker · 12/12/2024 09:40

This.

Irish Jews are telling you they are experiencing antisemitism and you are all (yes, generalising here) effectively saying "nah, not us, we're just worried about the poor Gazan babies". Cop on. So many posts on here implying the OP is not really Irish when as an IRISH Jew she is referring to her experience.

I think you will find that most of the Irish people here have said they do not support or condone terrorism or violence from any group, the IRA, Hamas or the Israeli government.

Happiestwhen · 12/12/2024 09:55

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 09:31

The OP said A LOT of people in Ireland STILL support the IRA.

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*yes they still support the old IRA - not the new one or any of the other made up ones.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 09:55

That is not what the OP said though. That is the problem.

graceinspace999 · 12/12/2024 10:03

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Yes! I don’t understand how these awful anti Irish statements have been allowed to stand.

As other posters have commented if the word ‘Irish’ was switched out with the word ‘Jewish’
this thread would have been deleted.

As it stands some of the worst and most inflammatory statements I’ve seen are allowed to stand while other posters add their support.

Daradarina · 12/12/2024 10:30

Happiestwhen · 12/12/2024 09:55

*yes they still support the old IRA - not the new one or any of the other made up ones.

That is not what was said. OP literally said it was not just old IRA she was talking about.

Freeyourminds · 12/12/2024 10:34

Greywhippet · 11/12/2024 20:42

I’ve also reported this thread (twice) and had responses saying that no guidelines are being broken. And I don’t like being accused of troll hunting either. This is a disingenuous thread and the unsubstantiated slurs about Ireland are ridiculous

Thank you, l’m not a troll either, found this thread very upsetting.Came onto this thread genuinely, against all racism, then read the original post.It’s for the best now that l leave the thread.Just thank you, for your comment.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 10:38

Not a troll either, genuinely upset about the racism allowed on this thread.

the7Vabo · 12/12/2024 10:57

YesHesAPlonker · 12/12/2024 09:40

This.

Irish Jews are telling you they are experiencing antisemitism and you are all (yes, generalising here) effectively saying "nah, not us, we're just worried about the poor Gazan babies". Cop on. So many posts on here implying the OP is not really Irish when as an IRISH Jew she is referring to her experience.

Can you show me a post implying that the Op is not really Irish?

The OP didn’t just refer to her experience. Her experience would have been telling the story of her relationship with her friend and what her friend said.

That has nothing to do with the IRA.

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 11:20

I have not questioned if the OP is Irish or not.
I suspected the OP was Irish before she even mentioned it because she said her and her friend lived together during college. British people usually call it uni.

Daradarina · 12/12/2024 11:40

YesHesAPlonker · 12/12/2024 09:40

This.

Irish Jews are telling you they are experiencing antisemitism and you are all (yes, generalising here) effectively saying "nah, not us, we're just worried about the poor Gazan babies". Cop on. So many posts on here implying the OP is not really Irish when as an IRISH Jew she is referring to her experience.

It is quite obvious OP is Irish.

OP said that Ireland isn’t more anti-semitic than anywhere else. To quote her
Ireland isn't any more antisemetic than anywhere else
It is other posters who are implying that it is, often with little or no experience of living in the country themselves.
Anti-semitism is on the rise worldwide and something everyone needs to work on.

PreciousMahoney · 12/12/2024 11:52

Allinarow48 · 11/12/2024 13:09

I'm Irish. One can critique ones own people.

I'm also Irish. From Belfast.

I may be a tad cynical but reading carefully the OPs posts I am doubtful it was ever about the 'friend'🙄

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 11:53

I don't think Ireland is more anti semitic than other places.
But it is important to be acknowledge and be understanding that Jewish people in Ireland feel this way.

PreciousMahoney · 12/12/2024 12:01

Freeyourminds · 12/12/2024 10:34

Thank you, l’m not a troll either, found this thread very upsetting.Came onto this thread genuinely, against all racism, then read the original post.It’s for the best now that l leave the thread.Just thank you, for your comment.

Well said.

Mumsnet moderation went to shite on this one!

Daradarina · 12/12/2024 12:03

AnxiousRose · 12/12/2024 11:53

I don't think Ireland is more anti semitic than other places.
But it is important to be acknowledge and be understanding that Jewish people in Ireland feel this way.

Absolutely @AnxiousRose.