Mounjaro offending close "friends"

[Hope78]

I have bitten the bullet and started using Mounjaro. I pay for it privately through a reputable private clinic , and in a nutshell its been incredible.

Long story as short as poss.... I'm a well built 5ft7 woman who has been anything from 10st to 13.7st over years , ideal weight 11st happy and feel good, have gone into perimenopause , started HRT and basically CANNOT shift stubborn 2st. I told my GP my plans and he agreed as BMI verging on obese (13st4) .....decision was 6 months in making with a LOT of research before starting it ....anyway ....

I have lost my first half stone ( in 10 days ) and with close friends at the weekend told them i was on the injection and how great i feel ( not just food noise but ADHD symptoms better too ) my friends were so happy for me bar one who could not hide her disgust. This person has a stunning figure, always been a petite size 8, always attracted a lot of male attention, and has been known to be quite fattest over the years to anyone chubby. She basically said it was cheating, said i would be fatter long term and i know that behind my back is slagging me off ..
I've always been confident despite my different weights but i did get a lot of compliments especially from other husbands of how well i looked , and it seemed to REALLY annoy her she has stopped messaging me as much and has declined Xmas invites for drinks at mine.
Its got me thinking that this injection is a real shift long term for men and women , but psychologically its maybe pissing off people that don't struggle????
Another friend was shocked i even told people but im not that sort of person , I'm an open book and chatty and don't see the point ? maybe i should have just kept my mouth shut ? AIBU to feel shocked and disappointed by this ?

Oops accidentally posted too soon

I see the jabs as a lifeline for people suffering serious complications of obesity and I truly wish they were available on the NHS for people who are suffering and will have their lives shortened

What I object to is the huge private medicine industry around it. It's horrible that it's on the basis of ability to pay and not greatest need.

In much of the discussion it seems to be forgotten that it's a prescription only drug which is supposed to be taken in accordance with medical guidance and yet people are twiddling around with dosing schedules that they got off Facebook. Do people do that with any other drug? Do they adjust their own insulin dose or blood pressure pills? I find the gung ho attitude to it all just really strange and disturbing

So if I (privately) disapprove it is nothing to do with jealousy or moral superiority but a subset of my dislike of private medicine and the buying of advantage.

don't worry about it

I own the cheating it shuts the negativity down as I have no interest in hearing it

I could not give a fuck it works I am three stone lighter and have another two stone to loose and feel so much healthier than I did

and I look better - which lets face it is the irritation for some ....

you will receive a number of negative comments or overly concerned or some just pretend not to notice or the most blatant you do need to lose anymore 🙄

Sigh. It does. Google it.

As patiachy means men at its core

No, it doesn't @onceachunkymonkey - I think this explains why we're talking at cross purposes and, I fear, really derailing the thread.

In answer to 'who is being cheated' I would say poor fat people who cannot access this important treatment because it is being diverted into the private market for largely cosmetic use.

I’ve told very people and it’s staying that way!

That's amazing, how long did it take?

This is fascinating.

I had bad acne as a teen. Then I had some meds, my skin cleared, and I started getting much more male attention. A couple of friends who'd always prided themselves on their lovely, clear skin (clearly genetic - although "it's because I use X product/drink water/bla bla") were really nasty for a while.

But that's teenage girls.

How odd that 40-something women are still at it.

If you Google 'what is the patriarchy' you'll see it's a set of societal values which defers power to men and takes the male experience as the default. That doesn't mean that the term 'the patriarchy' means 'men'. It means it's the society we live in, which sets toxic gender roles for men and women. On a societal level, men benefit from patriarchy over women but on an individual level there are women who succeed in patriarchy and there are men who suffer under it and are penalised. It's not as simple as saying 'all men are the winners and the villains and all women are victims'. Just like feminism does not equate to man-hating, but seeks to dismantle patriarchal structures and make the distribution of power more equal.

Patriarchy sets stark gender roles which come with toxic expectations. One of the toxic expectations associated with women is thinness. When I say this, I am not saying that MEN are telling women to be thin and attacking them for not being thin enough or for losing weight 'the wrong way'. A lot of vociferous voices in this sphere are women's voices. Because, as aforementioned, there are women who benefit from patriarchy and there are women who don't recognise it. All of us are shaped by the society in which we live.

Understanding what patriarchy is doesn't mean opting for a simplistic worldview in which men = bad and women = good. It is a system which elevates men over women, but patriarchy itself is not men, not supported by all men and not in the interests of all men. I have not at any point brought men into the discussion; you have seriously misunderstood me in thinking that I have.

Challenging patriarchal values does not mean that we don't hold women accountable for their actions. We can recognise how patriarchal gender roles shape and damage us all without taking accountability out of the equation.

And sorry to everyone else for derailing the thread, I won't mention the patriarchy again!

This is incorrect.

There’s more than enough mounjaro. Poor people can’t access it because the NHS won’t pay for it. Private prescriptions are issued, for the vast majority, in cases where people are obese and at risk of associated diseases. Not for purely cosmetic reasons.

But it isn’t being diverted for cosmetic use, there is plenty available, the nhs simply don’t have the resources to prescribe . Even if no one bought it privately it still wouldn’t be available for everyone on the nhs. Most people can’t even get a gp appt, never mind freeing up enough gp space for millions and millions to get weight loss drugs

this isn’t a case the nhs or fat people can’t get it as the supply is elsewhere, not even close.

Definitely no judgement of people taking the jabs. Good for you if you're feeling better.

I can't help looking nervously at who might be profiting enormously from this trend (read - the usual big pharma suspects), and hoping the enormous power and reach of these companies (and TERRIBLE ethical history) isn't downplaying to too great an extent the possible side effects. Hopefully the fact these are (I think?) repurposed drugs means it's a bit safer - much harder to hide any problems.

That’s a political decision. The NHS will fund in certain circumstances but ultimately they choose not to prescribe in most situations. So no one is stealing it for cosmetic reasons. Some people can afford it some can not. This is a ongoing issue in the nhs

Well done. Am 18m in, 5st and 13lb down. Just need one more pound before xmas and I will have made target (and a BMI of 24.9). Every single person I’ve braved telling has been super supportive too, my DH especially as he knew how inexplicably I gained so much weight during peri-menopause and how no manner of exercise and fasting/dieting would get it off before.

OP, this woman is no friend. Grey rock her hereafter as she’s shown her true colours.

You’ve clearly not. It’s ok if you don’t agree with the idea that we live in a patriarchal society but you’ve obviously not tried to understand what it means as it is not a synonym for men.

Weight loss isn't cosmetic though

Well sometimes it is

Not for folks legitimately getting the drugs, it’s only for the obese.

The vast majority of users aren’t prescribed it for cosmetic reasons though. Why make stuff up?

OP of this threat literally said that she did not meet criteria. I hardly think she's the only one

But the pharmacies are prescribing on medical criteria, not cosmetic. The rules are based on BMI and weight-related health conditions. People aren't granted it because of how they look, they're granted it based on their weight and health. They might be seeking it in order to look better, but they aren't given it unless they qualify on health grounds. If everyone buying Mounjaro privately stopped buying it, the NHS still would not be in a position to prescribe it. It's going to take them twelve years to roll it out because of the logistics. Not because people are accessing it privately, but because of the huge scale of the undertaking.

No, she said her BMI was not high enough for her GP to prescribe it on the NHS. She would have met the criteria for private prescription.

No, she isn’t. But to suggest that the poor fat people can’t access the medicine because it’s been directed to people for cosmetic reasons isn’t true, is it.

She discussed it with GP who agreed she was a suitable candidate. I am going to infer (OP can correct me if wrong) that she may have specific health issues, or be BAME for whom ‘obese’ is classified as obese, and therefore been deemed eligible. ie, She may be eligible, and I am inferring that she is given she discussed this with her GP.