Mounjaro offending close "friends"

[Hope78]

I have bitten the bullet and started using Mounjaro. I pay for it privately through a reputable private clinic , and in a nutshell its been incredible.

Long story as short as poss.... I'm a well built 5ft7 woman who has been anything from 10st to 13.7st over years , ideal weight 11st happy and feel good, have gone into perimenopause , started HRT and basically CANNOT shift stubborn 2st. I told my GP my plans and he agreed as BMI verging on obese (13st4) .....decision was 6 months in making with a LOT of research before starting it ....anyway ....

I have lost my first half stone ( in 10 days ) and with close friends at the weekend told them i was on the injection and how great i feel ( not just food noise but ADHD symptoms better too ) my friends were so happy for me bar one who could not hide her disgust. This person has a stunning figure, always been a petite size 8, always attracted a lot of male attention, and has been known to be quite fattest over the years to anyone chubby. She basically said it was cheating, said i would be fatter long term and i know that behind my back is slagging me off ..
I've always been confident despite my different weights but i did get a lot of compliments especially from other husbands of how well i looked , and it seemed to REALLY annoy her she has stopped messaging me as much and has declined Xmas invites for drinks at mine.
Its got me thinking that this injection is a real shift long term for men and women , but psychologically its maybe pissing off people that don't struggle????
Another friend was shocked i even told people but im not that sort of person , I'm an open book and chatty and don't see the point ? maybe i should have just kept my mouth shut ? AIBU to feel shocked and disappointed by this ?

And honestly that’s two of us have knocked you sick. Simply at the thought of an innocent compliment between a male and female friend.

Ah ok. Sorry I misread…

But what’s rhe patriachy got to do with this. This is woman on woman.

@Onceachunkymonkey no worries. There is so much crap on this thread it's easily done! No offence taken...

There is indeed.. it’s quite astonishing.

I don’t know what age you are but I wouldn’t give up. I am in my late 30s and went from 13 stone at end of 2021 to now 10stone 6.

I kept losing and dropping the same one stone forever then I plateaud at just over 11stone for ages. I thought that was it for me but in the past few months I started losing weight again.

It hasn’t been the fastest journey but I kept going and have done it in a sustainable way. Still eat things like cakes or cookies at least once a month, I eat bread, white rice etc. It would have went faster had I cut all those things out completely but it wasn’t realistic for me, I’ve gradually reduced it all though.

I now just have half a stone to lose to get before my BMI is below 25 again.

yeah, I wouldn't be telling anyone either.

Sorry, are you under the impression that mounjaro etc make it EASY to lose weight? that you just inject, carry on with eating whatever the fuck you want and you just get thin?

If ONLY! perhaps you're reading the crappy press and believing all the gutter journalism, but ALL these medications do are to reduce noise and give space for healthy eating. It impedes the addiction part of this.

It's not cheating. There is a lot of effort required—at least as much effort as you are making. The difference is that some people have insulin resistance, hormonal changes have caused huge metabolic changes, and oestrogen levels are out of line, creating an insane level of food noise. Like an addict of anything else.

Why are you so bothered if other people who can benefit from a medication to help alleviate a life threatening condition now have something they can use to make a seachange in their life expectancy?

Their success takes NOTHING from you. You see that? Good for you that you can control things, others do all that you do and more and STILL gain weight.

I don't have an objection to the jabs at all and see them as a life

oh yeah, @Hope78 First Rule of Mounjaro is Don't Talk about Mounjaro....

Tell your friend you are disappointed with her and it's changed how you view her, distance yourself from her and leave her to it

There are lot of women around who love being the thinnest

It makes them feel superior

Also, I don't see the jabs as cheating

It's just weight control, same as exercise, low carb, long distance running etc

Stop putting moral values on it

The poster I was referring to was positing that attitudes towards weight loss and the injections are gendered. As in, women get more criticism for being overweight and for taking the injections. There are a lot of gendered expectations when it comes to weight, appetite and restriction and it makes sense that women receive the brunt of the fallout when it comes to injections - that women both feel angry at those they see as 'cheating' and that women see thinness as a prize and a duty in a world that demands it more from women than men. 'Women on women' is something that comes from the patriarchy, in the same way that toxic male rivalry does as well. The embedded attitudes towards weight, beauty standards and dieting all stem from it and it harms us all. A less fucked up society would produce healthier feelings about our relationships with our bodies and each other.

I have seen a lot of people get riled up at people taking medication to assist with weight loss.

An obesity specialist I saw said it’s not “cheating” it’s simply making the weight loss battle a “fair fight”.

I think it’s a worry about their loss of status if more people become thinner and the sense of superiority they feel due to the size starts to erode.

@Onceachunkymonkey women also live within the parameters of patriarchy.

I do worry slightly about side effects and what happens when you stop taking it?

Be honest. You’re not worried at all, are you? Just like when people claim they’re worried about the health of overweight people, rather than the honest answer of ‘I don’t like fat people because I think they’re lazy and gluttonous’.

Again so? This is women attacking women, and in my view the people doing the attacking are solely responsible.

I’m afraid I disagree. I beleive you’re trying to absolve women for their behaviour. And I strongly disagree with this and dislike it intently. And yes women do get more criticism for taking the drugs. From other women. Not men,

I’ve lost 17lbs (I want to lose 2 stone in total) on Mounjaro and I still have my bum and boobs, no curves lost just extra fat which was starting to cause issues with my joints.

Yes, it's funny how people don't worry about side effects of other meds people take to improve their health.

@Whyherewego go and see a private doctor & explain your case. You sound like you almost meet the criteria/borderline. Most of the women in wealthy pockets of London, in your position, appear to be prescribed the drug from a private Dr IMO.

I haven't brought men into it at all? I think you're really misunderstanding me. And it's not about absolution, it's about unpicking the way that attitudes become embedded because that's how we challenge them. I am horrified by the OP's friend's comments and by the comments on this thread that demean women on WLIs - comments that I have not at any point attributed to men or in any way tried to absolve! I recognise some of the toxicity that drives these comments and the unpleasant competitiveness that underpins them and I've been challenging that throughout the thread. I've simply agreed with another poster that there are toxic gender expectations woven into it - expectations which are reinforced by women who participate in it. I find it really hard to believe that anyone who looks at diet culture with a critical eye doesn't understand the role of gender and misogyny within that - none of which is an attack on men, but an acknowledgement of what patriarchy demands and expects of women and how women respond to that.

And @onceachunkymonkey just to clarify that when I say patriarchy, it's not a term interchangeable with 'men'. We all live in patriarchy. I think you're reading my words as though I mean men when I write patriarchy, and that's not the case.

Ok, then what do you mean. As patiachy means men at its core.

and men do not demand or expect women to attack other women. To compete on weight and attracriveness, and even if they did, it is up to women to not fo that. We are all responsible for our own actions, and I, totally blame the people attacking. And feel they need to own that.

it doesn’t actually. Do your own research if you don’t know or want to understand the concept of patriarchy. It’s not up to others to educate you