Mounjaro offending close "friends"

[Hope78]

I have bitten the bullet and started using Mounjaro. I pay for it privately through a reputable private clinic , and in a nutshell its been incredible.

Long story as short as poss.... I'm a well built 5ft7 woman who has been anything from 10st to 13.7st over years , ideal weight 11st happy and feel good, have gone into perimenopause , started HRT and basically CANNOT shift stubborn 2st. I told my GP my plans and he agreed as BMI verging on obese (13st4) .....decision was 6 months in making with a LOT of research before starting it ....anyway ....

I have lost my first half stone ( in 10 days ) and with close friends at the weekend told them i was on the injection and how great i feel ( not just food noise but ADHD symptoms better too ) my friends were so happy for me bar one who could not hide her disgust. This person has a stunning figure, always been a petite size 8, always attracted a lot of male attention, and has been known to be quite fattest over the years to anyone chubby. She basically said it was cheating, said i would be fatter long term and i know that behind my back is slagging me off ..
I've always been confident despite my different weights but i did get a lot of compliments especially from other husbands of how well i looked , and it seemed to REALLY annoy her she has stopped messaging me as much and has declined Xmas invites for drinks at mine.
Its got me thinking that this injection is a real shift long term for men and women , but psychologically its maybe pissing off people that don't struggle????
Another friend was shocked i even told people but im not that sort of person , I'm an open book and chatty and don't see the point ? maybe i should have just kept my mouth shut ? AIBU to feel shocked and disappointed by this ?

She doesn't meet the criteria for the GP to prescribe it. That's because GPs can't prescribe it in most circumstances because the NHS isn't set up for it. If your BMI is over 30, you can get it privately - this is a health criteria, not cosmetic. For a GP to be able to prescribe, you have to meet additional criteria.

If people are obtaining it fraudulently, that's an issue with all sorts of medication and it's not a reason to withdraw it from legitimate users.

No she didn’t. She clearly met the criteria. She had a bmi of 29.1. And you can get it for 30 or 27 for certain ethnicities where that is considered obese, or with certain health conditions.

Ok so I support the jabs btw so don't all have a pile on. Obesity is a massive health risk and costs the NHS huge amounts of money, and should be seen in a similar way to say mental health problems - ie you can take antidepressants if you need them they may even save your life.
BUT I think the "cheating" mentality comes from people who work hard to stay slim and resent that someone else has an "easy" way when THEY have to watch what they eat religiously / run daily / whatever. I think to people like that it seems unfair. I think people who are naturally slim and for example happen to enjoy exercise are a lot less likely to have this attitude tbh.
In fact I reckon it's really similar to the views that some people have about antidepressants, they feel that they have coped / done the therapy / whatever and someone else is taking the "easy" route and it's not fair.
So I can sort if see their viewpoint. I DONT agree with it but I can see what it is they're upset about.

OP literally gave her stats and her BMI is not obese and she is prescribed it which is a situation replicated by every private pharmacy in the land who are motivated to cash in on this.

Drug companies are not going to cut the NHS a cheap deal whilst they have an endless supply of people willing to pay. The NHS does make deals on all kinds of drugs usually because of economies of scale but it he companies have no need to do it in this case.

I just feel sorry for people I see day to day in my work who are in great need with BMIs of 40 or even 50 young people who will die young and I want them to get it first. I know the world is not fair and that it's not directly the OPs fault in any way but it's naive to think that people buying privately don't affect the chances of the drugs being made available on the NHS. It's market economics. It has to.

24.22 on the weight and height she posted..

I have a generic response to anything or anyone that bothers me. "Fuck them/this/that/you"
You're doing something amazing an positive for you, its not easy, or cheap, and especially not cheating.
Latest reports i saw are that 50% of losers keep the weight off, and iirc, another 20 or so % gain "some".
She's just sad and bitter. If you lose weight, she won't be able to look down on you.
She's not the only one who thinks that way, it's common. Fat people are the last non taboo subject for abuse.
Just take no notice. If she feels that way, and treats you like that, she's no friend.

Typo… obvs meant for whom ‘obese’ is classified as a BMI of 27.

I am losing weight from my brain, it would seem…

Her BMI MAY be obese … if she is not white.

I think you’re very confused. Firstly the op didn’t say why she was prescribed. She likely had other health conditions, like high blood pressure or sleep apnea. At no stage did she say she lied to get th4 drugs.

secondly the reason the nhs isn’t offering it is not as the cost of the drug is too high, it isn’t, if anything it is significantly cheaper than all the other meds and and treatments they give obese people. It is not offered as they don’t have the infrastructure, the nice guidelines have just come out and they have been open about this, they estimate it will take 12 years.

as said, most folks can’t even get a gp appt within a month, how on earth do you think surgeries will be able to offer appts to millions and millions of people wanting weight loss jabs.

as for the people You want to get it first, like everyone else, they either need to join tier three weight loss clinics with the nhs, of which there is an 8 waiting list , and they can get it prescribed or they can pay the 20 odd quid a week it costs and get it privately and offset the cost with the fact you eat so much less food.

it is not market economics. It is not people are taking it first. It is quite simply gp’s are over stretched and do not have th4 infrastructure to cope.

@ThePure at 5ft 7 and 13st 4lbs her BMI is 29.1. Mounjaro can be prescribed at a BMI of 27 and over in various circumstances. Or it may have been that her weight was slightly higher when she applied at tipped into 30 BMI.

You won't get legal Mounjaro,in the UK, if you don't meet the criteria. It's that simple.

5ft 7/13st 4 =1.718 ft/st BMI of 29.1?

Her bmi is 29.1?

You’re incorrect. Again.

Exactly. What the people who are lucky enough to but the drug are doing, is taking weight OFF of the nhs.

I’m on it - the legal (I assume you mean ‘clinical’) criteria is
a) a BMI in the obese category - 30 for a white person; 27 for Asian, middle eastern, some black ethnicities and mixed raced individuals.

b) Criteria also 27 for people with certain medical conditions.

But you obviously know better than the Prof of Endocrinology that prescribes mine. Maybe you should send in your CV and apply for his job?

I think you maybe misread the poster..she was agreeing the op would have met the criteria,

Honestly, how are you all comparing actual medical illnesses such as diabetes to gluttony?

My basic calorific need is 1200 a day, I think of food all the time and can be rarely eat a whole portion. I honestly can't see how, excluding disability, people get so fat and have no accountability for it. I work hard not to be fat. It is hard work. I would love to eat just a normal amount of food but I can't because either short and don't want to be fat. It's basic self control. Not a medical issue. Even the genetics argument is utter tosh- you might need 10 less calories a day because of your genetics but that's how you don't get fat. You don't eat more than your body needs.

And who compared it to buying a washing machine- you have it completely backwards, you work hard to save up to buy a washing machine. Not walk into a shop and take one.

The OP said herself that her BMI isn't in the obese range. I'm sure she knows what race/ethnicity she is.

Jeez did you just call fat people gluttons ? Like really? 👀

It's the definition isn't it?

Eating more than you need.

If you eat more than you need you will get fat.

@RabbitsEatPancakes who would you like obese people to be "accountable" to?? To you? To some government body that officially chastises them for being obese? Come on. We are all accountable to ourselves, which is why some of us are choosing to use an appropriate medication to assist in weight loss to move from obese to a healthy weight.

No the definition of a fat person is not a glutton,

I'm so curious about how different the conversation would be if it was a jab that helped with addiction to smoking or alcohol that had gained traction this year. Would the same bullshit about 'cheating' prevail or is it really as simple as 'I think fat people are gross and lazy and this cheating jab just proves that'. Rhetorical question as I'm pretty sure I know the answer.
I've only told one person I'm jabbing so far because fuck having to have this conversation in real life, but she lost her mum to alcoholism so is really interested in what I've explained about food noise disappearing. The potential to replicate the amazing mind reset that Mounjaro can do with other MH issues is incredible.

I am gobsmacked that anyone would think your choice of medication is a matter that others should have an opinion about.

Avoid her like the plague, she sounds like a deeply sad, judgemental, twat.