Mounjaro offending close "friends"

[Hope78]

I have bitten the bullet and started using Mounjaro. I pay for it privately through a reputable private clinic , and in a nutshell its been incredible.

Long story as short as poss.... I'm a well built 5ft7 woman who has been anything from 10st to 13.7st over years , ideal weight 11st happy and feel good, have gone into perimenopause , started HRT and basically CANNOT shift stubborn 2st. I told my GP my plans and he agreed as BMI verging on obese (13st4) .....decision was 6 months in making with a LOT of research before starting it ....anyway ....

I have lost my first half stone ( in 10 days ) and with close friends at the weekend told them i was on the injection and how great i feel ( not just food noise but ADHD symptoms better too ) my friends were so happy for me bar one who could not hide her disgust. This person has a stunning figure, always been a petite size 8, always attracted a lot of male attention, and has been known to be quite fattest over the years to anyone chubby. She basically said it was cheating, said i would be fatter long term and i know that behind my back is slagging me off ..
I've always been confident despite my different weights but i did get a lot of compliments especially from other husbands of how well i looked , and it seemed to REALLY annoy her she has stopped messaging me as much and has declined Xmas invites for drinks at mine.
Its got me thinking that this injection is a real shift long term for men and women , but psychologically its maybe pissing off people that don't struggle????
Another friend was shocked i even told people but im not that sort of person , I'm an open book and chatty and don't see the point ? maybe i should have just kept my mouth shut ? AIBU to feel shocked and disappointed by this ?

The carping minority who resent the availability of weight loss drugs are likely to be on other threads saying 'I managed fine without minimum wage/disability benefits/paid maternity leave' or 'I put up with sexual harassment in the workplace, why shouldn't others?' The idea of anyone having something they can't have, or could not have when it might have been useful to them, is unacceptable because it's UNFAIR, waa waa waa. To the grown-ups among us, it's progress.

I’m not ignoring anything. I’m not suggesting people get fat just because of medical conditions. People get fat for many different reasons but they’ve been struggling. Don’t worry about that. There will be very few people who are obese who have just been mindlessly eating, enjoying life with no struggles and now have a magic injection so have decided to lose the weight.

Most obese people have been on and off diets their whole lives: they’ve had plenty of struggle to try and lose it but once you are obese the odds are you will just continue to yo-yo diet and put more weight on.

You want to be a victim because you don’t overeat and think that somehow makes you superior. You are not

Exactly, such a strange angry post

I think what rankles is the realisation that for a significant number of fat people there is, at least in part, a medical reason for their fatness.

Take away the medical part of the problem and the fat person will likely lose weight.

That must be annoying if you have always seen your slimness as a badge of moral superiority.

A bitter and twisted one. Maybe they could console themselves with a packet of jaffa cakes.

This drugs have really flushed out how many women thought they were in competition all along - and are begrudging their perceived loss of 'slim' advantage in that competition.

It's pretty depressing actually.

I think it also then forces people to look at their own behaviour.

If they've spent their lifetime silently judging the obese as being greedy, lazy, disgusting. And then it's shown that there was a medical cause for the obesity - they are then forced to see themselves as in the wrong. Perhaps even as a bully. Similar to hating anyone for suffering from a medical condition. Not many people are brave enough for that level of self honesty and so they choose to form a 'moral' stance against the drug so they can still feel righteous.

I agree with this but I also think lots of fat people are just as judgemental of slim people
There are plenty on this thread who are happily talking about how all slim women are basically bitchy bullies who've been riding through life on their slim privilege. I can guarantee that's no more likely to be true than the other way around

So I am someone who doesn’t agree with it if the person doesn’t genuinely need it and prescribed it by a doctor as I also think people need to be monitored. However, I know many people in my close circle who are on or were on it and I would NEVER stop being friends with them. It’s their body their choice. I wouldn’t even say what I think really - and always say “whatever makes you happy” because how the hell does it affect me?? Your friend is not a friend.

@Snkt it's always prescribed by a doctor, for those who meet the prescribing criteria. Uncles they're obtaining it by deception and fraudulently, which is not what's being discussed here.

What do you class as ‘genuinely needing it’?

The mentality around weight loss injections is just crazy!

By the same thinking, lottery winners don't deserve to be rich because they didn't earn it. Heroine addicts don't deserve to use methadone to get off drugs because that's cheating.
Should you be eating the organic broccoli if you didn't grow it yourself?
You shouldn't be using a washing machine because you didn't invent it so get back to bashing your laundry on some rocks by the river.

Where does it stop? Sick people don't deserve medication because that's cheating at staying alive?

Let people do what they think is right for them and just move along with your life, it's really that simple.

OP, this friend of yours is being a twat, she has shown you her true colours so let her be bitter and if she's slagging you off to other friends, then be wary of them too. What are they saying to her? Agreeing or telling her to keep her opinions to herself?

lol. What other advances in healthcare you against then.?

Just the ones for the lazy fatties…

This is exactly the sort of comment that I was referring to when I said before that there are plenty of fat people who feel morally superior to slim people - obviously don't know if this poster is fat or not, but why assume the poster who you're referring to, has a problem with the jabs potentially being used by people who don't need them - because we all know that happens! It's definitely happening in Hollywood. It SHOULDN'T be happening in the UK but who knows if it is.
MAYBE this poster (who I expect you have assumed is slim) is just concerned that it is being used incorrectly and unsafely. It's definitely got the potential for that in the same way that say opioids in the state we're incorrectly prescribed.
Sure MAYBE they just want "fatties" to suffer because they're "lazy" but maybe they're just concerned about the drugs potential for abuse when so many people have started using it so recently. Particularly because quite a lot of the prescribing does seem to be non face to face.
FWIW I am slim(ISH) and think it's great IF it's being prescribed and used correctly. I do worry that plenty are likely to be lying though to use it to lose weight "easily" when they're just a little bit over where they should be.

@Shwish if some overweight but not obese people use it why would it upset you? Gen question.

I didn't say it WOULD upset me. I said the poster who's response was being denigrated may have been concerned about that. Have you seen Dope Sick? I wouldn't have been concerned if I was living in the US in the 00s and my friend was prescribed pain meds that were impossible to become addicted to. But look at the opiate problem in the US now. MAYBE that's the sort of thing some people are (reasonably IMO) worried about.

I'm just sick of the rhetoric that slim people are baddies who want everyone fat to remain so forever to help fuel their insatiable slim egos.
Most people are just getting on with their lives pretty much never even giving a thought to what other people are doing whether they're fat or thin or whatever. Then OP comes along with their friend with the allegedly slim superiority and suddenly there's all this - slim people want to keep you down. They're fat haters and think all fat people are disgusting and lazy. When I'm sure most haven't even given it a thought!
I particularly dislike being told that slim people think they're "morally superior" when - on this thread at least - that appears to be the opposite of what's happening with all the judgement.

Eugh, the stupid 'cheating' thing is SUCH bullshit. Who decided that just because you're overweight, you deserve to suffer and be forced to lose weight 'the hard way'?! Why would we when there is an easier option?

I lost 3 stone last year from joining a personal training gym/lifestyle mentorship programme. It cost me £300 a month. It worked, and arguably I did it 'the hard way' but I got to a point where I could no longer justify the ridiculous cost, so I quit, and I've gained 2 stone back in 3 months, and counting. I am worse than I ever was before, the food noise is HORRENDOUS. So fuck doing it 'the right way' (although at £300 a month, I'm not sure it's any less of a cheat to be honest!), I will be starting mounjaro in January. I won't be telling anyone, because I can't be bothered with the absolute tripe that people come out with regarding weight loss.

What @Twoshoesnewshoes said. I think those of us who have struggled to keep our weight down via the medium of exercise and food denial will see this as"cheating". Unless, of course, you have been going to the gym/running etc etc and restricted your eating to 1000 cals a day on a long term basis - IF you HAVE been doing that and the weight still hasn't shifted then I'd consider it.
I think it just seems a kick in the teeth for those with the willpower and determination.
I'd still stay quiet though and not voice my concerns. At the end of the day she can achieve her weight goal without medical intervention and should be proud of that.

I think it just seems a kick in the teeth for those with the willpower and determination.

God, I pity you.

Sad for you. 😂.

Yup that’s not right, and pop over to aibu and the wli is cheating thread and you will see them all slithering out and bleating about how miserable their lives are and how we are all cheating.

all to the tune of a load of tiny violins.

Age makes a huge difference which seems to not be discussed much. For many up to 40 ish cabbage soup diet & self control & bingo, half a stone vanishes inside 2 weeks. Post meno no chance. Even for men when your muscles wave a little white flag & suddenly you’re a fat Bstard. If anyone remembers the song ;)

The long and lean women are not going to easily be dumpy, racehorses v Shetlands, the latter just expand on grass ;)

The sturdy peasant stock amongst us are designed & evolved to endure famine. To hold the roof of the bothy up with one hand in torrential rain & storm. Fat is stored. Genetics, us proles are prob evolutionarily hungrier (?) Aristos can gorge intermittently with no dumpy consequences?

We need to really understand what is normal.

In evolutionary terms being able to gorge during times of abundance was probably a good thing. The people who could lay down a layer of fat would be the ones who would survive a hard winter, disease, periods of famine.

Is there supposed to be an 'off button' to the ability to gorge? Is that what super fat people like me lack? Is that what MJ giving me?

I think the development of these new drugs is amazing. Not just for weight loss directly but also for potential with other conditions.