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Sick of ignorant people re my religion

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Loisep · 09/12/2024 20:06

I’m married to a Dane. We met in London at university. We have a great relationship but the ignorance from his friends, family and acquaintances is almost too much to handle.

I am half Indian and was loosely raised Sikh. I think the UK does quite well in comparison to other countries re education on religion. Most Brits do not naturally assume I am Muslim.

That is not the case when I am in Denmark. God forbid I have a beer with new people. “Oh is that not halal?” Blah blah. I end up feeling guilty saying no I’m not Muslim all the time. Like I am distancing myself. I knew there would cultural differences but I never expected such ignorance. So many people think brown people = Arab (in Europe).

Dh wants to move back home and I would if it wasn’t for this extreme ignorance. I worry for future kids.

Am I the one with a chip on my shoulder? Should I just accept that people from other countries have been exposed to different cultural groups? Ie not had an Indian diaspora

OP posts:
MumChp · 09/12/2024 21:34

Loisep · 09/12/2024 21:32

I don’t mind people being ignorant to Sikhism. It’s the immediate assumption that I am Muslim. On one visit I must have been asked “are you Muslim?” 10+ times in one day.

Tbh I think people ask because they know Islam. They can't ask if you are Sikh as it wouldn't be a religion most Danes know about.

Loisep · 09/12/2024 21:35

ItsVeryComplicated · 09/12/2024 21:25

OP - the way I recognise Sikhs is by their turbans, but ladies don't wear those do they. Is there any clear physical sign of a Sikh woman?

I mean my brothers would probably self-identify as Sikh but neither of them have turbans and neither does my dad.

There are religious articles of clothing that Sikhs are supposed to wear (5 k’s) to mark them out as Sikh but many younger Sikhs will only wear one of the 5 (steel bracelet). You will find many Sikh women do not cut their hair.

OP posts:
godmum56 · 09/12/2024 21:37

MumChp · 09/12/2024 21:34

Tbh I think people ask because they know Islam. They can't ask if you are Sikh as it wouldn't be a religion most Danes know about.

I am not sure why they need to ask? I mean if the OP is having a beer then obvs they have decided to have a beer......

Loisep · 09/12/2024 21:37

GreengrassofW · 09/12/2024 21:28

Sorry to hear this OP, so you're London based now and he wants to move back to Denmark? I think you're far better off in London. I know it's a hard sell for quality of life and for expenses but what you sacrifice for space and money will give you probably better community/friendships/less casual racism and general twattery.

Yes, London based. We are wanting to move out of the city to get ready for kids.

I don’t really ever feel othered in the UK but I can’t say the same for Denmark.

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IVFmumoftwo · 09/12/2024 21:38

Ablondiebutagoody · 09/12/2024 20:28

I think that you hit the nail on the head with your last point. Denmark doesn't have the links with India that the UK does. Not their fault and at least their ancestors didn't slaughter loads of yours like the Brits did.

They slaughtered loads of English instead.

HealthRobinsonCrusoe · 09/12/2024 21:38

I wouldn't move to Denmark as a white Brit. Norway, on the other hand...

JSMill · 09/12/2024 21:39

Loisep · 09/12/2024 21:29

I don’t know very many Japanese people but I’ve been taught well enough to not assume every Japanese person I come into contact with is Buddhist. I would hope everyone was being taught similar in 2024.

Exactly!

IVFmumoftwo · 09/12/2024 21:39

Snorlaxo · 09/12/2024 21:01

OP isn’t Muslim but if she’s going to consider living in a country where people consider her Muslim then it’s in her interest to know what Danish people think about Islam.

Plenty of Indians are Christian. A bit racist to presume she is Muslim.

MumChp · 09/12/2024 21:41

godmum56 · 09/12/2024 21:37

I am not sure why they need to ask? I mean if the OP is having a beer then obvs they have decided to have a beer......

Because they want to talk to a person not being Danish? Don’t know.
I am quite sure they don’t do it to offend you.

Supersimkin7 · 09/12/2024 21:42

OP, lots of people move to Denmark after marrying for love. I know three!

It’s a very distinctive culture that pretty much everyone loves once they’re used to it. Very welcoming.

But it’s not reasonable to expect strangers to know - or care - what religion you were born into whether you’re Danish or not, to be honest.

Loisep · 09/12/2024 21:42

I mean I am very ambiguous looking. Depending on my tan I can look South American, Middle Eastern, Mediterranean, British etc. I obviously don’t expect people to be mind readers but there is a way to inquire about my background that is polite.

OP posts:
MumChp · 09/12/2024 21:43

IVFmumoftwo · 09/12/2024 21:39

Plenty of Indians are Christian. A bit racist to presume she is Muslim.

Most Danes wouldn't know.
Religion isn't a big subject at the Danish state schools.

HelloMyNameIsElderSmurf · 09/12/2024 21:43

I think you've sort of hit a perfect storm of a) a mono-culture b) a secular culture and c) the scandi directness. British people who don't know you wouldn't dream of asking your religion, it's not just because of better awareness, it's because asking someone outright about their religion is rude.

IVFmumoftwo · 09/12/2024 21:43

MumChp · 09/12/2024 21:43

Most Danes wouldn't know.
Religion isn't a big subject at the Danish state schools.

And that is why we should continue to teach RE. 👍

MissyB1 · 09/12/2024 21:45

IVFmumoftwo · 09/12/2024 21:43

And that is why we should continue to teach RE. 👍

Absolutely! Ignorance is never good.

MumChp · 09/12/2024 21:46

IVFmumoftwo · 09/12/2024 21:43

And that is why we should continue to teach RE. 👍

As a theologian I agree.
I studied at a Danish university for a while and Danes know next to nothing about religion.

Mildura · 09/12/2024 21:47

I appreciate everyone’s experience is different, but amongst my friends/acquaintances/work colleagues religion does not come up in discussion at all.

im more likely to know what my friends favourite sexual position is than what religion they follow.

Zimunya · 09/12/2024 21:47

Loisep · 09/12/2024 21:32

I don’t mind people being ignorant to Sikhism. It’s the immediate assumption that I am Muslim. On one visit I must have been asked “are you Muslim?” 10+ times in one day.

It’s fair to be frustrated about this. It is a shocking lack of awareness. Do you think it would help to turn the question around? When they ask if you are a Muslim, say, “No, why do you ask?” Once they’ve grappled with how to answer a few times, they might think before they speak. Sorry you are dealing with this.

MumChp · 09/12/2024 21:48

HelloMyNameIsElderSmurf · 09/12/2024 21:43

I think you've sort of hit a perfect storm of a) a mono-culture b) a secular culture and c) the scandi directness. British people who don't know you wouldn't dream of asking your religion, it's not just because of better awareness, it's because asking someone outright about their religion is rude.

Danes wouldn't consider it rude to ask. At all. More like an information like 'Any children? 'Profession?' 'Pets?' ...

Feelingathomenow · 09/12/2024 21:48

Ablondiebutagoody · 09/12/2024 20:49

Yes

Ah you’ve been drinking the anti British koolaid I see! What aspects of Britain, your country are you proud of?

TheBitchOfTheVicar · 09/12/2024 21:48

Supersimkin7 · 09/12/2024 21:42

OP, lots of people move to Denmark after marrying for love. I know three!

It’s a very distinctive culture that pretty much everyone loves once they’re used to it. Very welcoming.

But it’s not reasonable to expect strangers to know - or care - what religion you were born into whether you’re Danish or not, to be honest.

If they don't care, why are they continually asking OP if she is a Muslim?

Ava27268 · 09/12/2024 21:50

Ablondiebutagoody · 09/12/2024 20:28

I think that you hit the nail on the head with your last point. Denmark doesn't have the links with India that the UK does. Not their fault and at least their ancestors didn't slaughter loads of yours like the Brits did.

Have you heard of the Vikings?!

IVFmumoftwo · 09/12/2024 21:52

Ava27268 · 09/12/2024 21:50

Have you heard of the Vikings?!

I suspect not!

Ablondiebutagoody · 09/12/2024 21:52

Feelingathomenow · 09/12/2024 21:48

Ah you’ve been drinking the anti British koolaid I see! What aspects of Britain, your country are you proud of?

Lots of things actually but stuff like Amritsar was a bit much, don't you think?

Feelingathomenow · 09/12/2024 21:52

MumChp · 09/12/2024 21:46

As a theologian I agree.
I studied at a Danish university for a while and Danes know next to nothing about religion.

That’s not a bad thing imo. I think teaching of religion should be limited to helping interpret art that a person is likely to come across in the culture of their homeland and to understand the institutions of their country. Everything else is a personal interest of the individual

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