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Husband insulting me to MIL

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Helpinghand1234 · 09/12/2024 12:09

Honest opinions please?

I (40f) am married to DH (41m) I’ve always had a tricky but civil relationship with in-laws. They’re overbearing and emeshed (farming family so everyone but them is an outsider)

Things got trickier when we married, then much much trickier when I had DS 15months ago. I’ve basically felt like a surrogate. MIL complains DS is a mummy’s boy, I shouldn’t have breast fed as no one else could feed him, DS doesn’t want to know her when I’m there, she’s not good enough when I’m around etc. If I complain to DH he says I’m stirring up trouble, imagining it or that’s just how she is. He works long hours keeping their farm afloat and has very little time at home in the evenings. When he does come home, at some point mil or fil will phone to see what DH had for dinner etc and ask how DS is. All of his money goes on keeping the farm afloat and my wages pay all our bills (I owned the home mortgage free before we married) When I complained to DH they were intruding on the little family time we had in the evenings the calls became less but constant messages to his phone, but I thought we had created some kind of boundary.

Im now 15 weeks pregnant with DC2. MIL and SIL had a very cold reaction when we told them, and it’s been niggling at me. DH has a way of making me feel like I’m imagining things, but this time I just
couldn’t convince myself that I was imagining it.

I know I’m totally in the wrong here and accept that fully, but this morning around 5am I couldn’t sleep and things were just going around and around my head. DH hadn’t put his phone to charge on his bedside table and it was on the middle of the bed. I unlocked it and started reading messages between him and MIL. I now know why she dislikes me so much. DH has called me lazy, told her there no dinner ready for him when he gets home, he’s had to do all the laundry as Id been lazy all day, I’ve had takeaway but there’s nothing for him, I’m angry and unpleasant/or I’m in a reasonable mood that night, he’s had to clean up my mess as the house was a tip, that I took my son without a coat and hat in the cold weather until he stopped me. He’s told her DS is saying Gran a lot which I’m not pleased about (DS says 3 words and gran isn’t even one of them). Every single thing is a lie.
In all the time we’ve been married I can count on one hand the times he’s come home with no meal ready, and that will be because I’ve just arrived home myself or I’m ill etc. I do all of the laundry (he wouldn’t know how to turn washing machine on) do all the housework (I doubt he knows where the hoover is) and have never taken DS out without either a sunhat or cold weather hat. He says he’s had too cook dinner, put DS to bed and is now cleaning my mess as I’m in bed. (I go to bed the same time as DS as he sleeps for around 3 hours and it’s the longest stretch of sleep I get- he’s then awake every hour/two hours to feed). MIL’s responses are “isn’t she lazy, she must have been in bed all day, she needs a good shake, don’t worry DS will grow soon so you won’t have to stay etc.” When he told her my DM was here, he called her “the old woman” and she responded “is she there to brag about how much money she has?” (My parents are fairly wealthy but not in an ostentatious way- they own property but drive a 15 year old car) She has also repeatedly told DH I’m angry and awful to be around as they’re not good enough for me. Everything he’s told her is a lie, but it’s like he wants to play little boy victim to his mother.

What on earth do I do? I confronted DH this morning- his response was he needed to vent somewhere, which is fair enough, but he wasn’t venting, he was lying and speaking about me in a very hostile and unpleasant way and actively lying. We argued recently as he took DS to mil with no car seat (10 minute journey) and they both had a moan about how I was still stomping my feet about it and being my usual unpleasant self.

What’s most confusing is to my face he’s lovely, we have the odd argument here and there but overall I thought we were happy, he constantly tells me how much he loves me, how happy he is etc but all the while messaging his mother how awful I am. We had a lovely day yesterday buying a Xmas tree and decorating etc and now I feel like my family is destroyed.

Ive spoken to my best friend and DB this morning- they both advised time to cool off before speaking to him to find out why he’s done this. I already know what he’ll say- he can’t get away from her etc, and really it doesn’t matter- how can I ever trust him again? This is the person who is supposed to be my biggest cheerleader but is actively assassinating my character to his mother. I suppose I want some reassurance I’m not overreacting? Is it enough to call it quits? I don’t want DS and DC2 to come from a broken home and I feel so ashamed and embarrassed to be in this situation- all the signs were there that they have an unhealthy relationship but I honestly never thought he would speak about me with such contempt. And worst of all I really do love him- he’s my best friend and when we have time just the 3 of us it’s wonderful. I know he can never go NC with in-laws as without him they’d be destitute, but I’m heartbroken about the situation.

WWYD?

OP posts:
thepariscrimefiles · 09/12/2024 12:16

There is a big difference from him not sticking up for you when your MIL complains about you and badmouths you and him making up a load of absolutely toxic lies about you.

How can you even look at him after this? He wouldn't be able to work on the family farm for no money without your house and your wages. You are a great mother to your shared child and he pretends that you do nothing and that you are a bad and neglectful mother?

How can you stay with him after this? His behaviour is unforgivable.

AllTangledUpInTinselAndTiaras · 09/12/2024 12:17

Oh my goodness.

I couldn't accept that. Not in a million years.

It doesn't matter that he's likely saying those things because he's compelled to in some weird, dysfunctional, enmeshed way in order to gain his mother's approval.

No, I would not subject myself to this. And if at all possible I'd get my children far enough away that they wouldn't be pulled into this deeply damaged family.

Get away. This is disturbing.

Precipice · 09/12/2024 12:18

You love him, but does he love you? He may act like it to your face, but given how he acts about you behind his back, can you believe it? Would you, loving him, ever act in this way about him to your own mother (or to anyone else you had such a close relationship with)? The calls every day are something you might have to accept as just that they have this close relationship and this attending expectation. There's nothing inherently wrong with that.

The lying about you is something else. I don't see how you can have a future with this man. He shows no affection or respect towards you.

TipsyKoala · 09/12/2024 12:18

I couldn't forgive this, I would have to end it

Lyra87 · 09/12/2024 12:21

This is awful OP. I'm don't have any real advice but this is something that won't be easy to come back from. He has destroyed your relationship with your in laws, and lied to do it. I don't think there's any reason he could give that would make this excusable. What else has he lied about, or said about you to other people? For me, the trust would be gone.

AllTangledUpInTinselAndTiaras · 09/12/2024 12:23

You shouldn't want to come back from this!

itsmylife7 · 09/12/2024 12:25

I'm actually lost for words.

Could I forgive him...no.

That's not normal behaviour at all telling complete lies about you.

PullTheBricksDown · 09/12/2024 12:25

That is really disturbing. He is siding with her over you about it too. That's very serious.

Who owns the house you live in? I would want some distance. I would not be willing to be the butt of their bad behaviour.

If anyone has destroyed your family, it's him. I'm sorry. But he puts your kids at risk, car seat etc, to please them. That's a very bleak future ahead.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 09/12/2024 12:25

I would really struggle to stay with him in those circumstances.

Can you go and stay with your family for a while?

He needs to understand that this is potentially relationship ending stuff. If he wants to save your marriage he's got a lot of work to do, starting with telling his mother that he lied about everything.

DowntonFlabbie · 09/12/2024 12:27

I could forgive an affair before I'd forgive this.

He's not supporting your family financially and he's actively lying to his family making you out to be a terrible person. Send him back to mummy, it's all he's good for.

pikkumyy77 · 09/12/2024 12:29

I am so, so, sorry. I absolutely would not be able to come back from this. I would have to leave. If he was willing to choose you and your little family then I would imagine it was possible to restart life elsewhere, breaking connection with his toxic family. But he can’t, and won’t. They and the farm are all he knows.

montelbano · 09/12/2024 12:30

This is wrong on so many levels. The massive amount of lying is just unforgivable. No doubt that his mother has shared some of the lies around the family. If he truly loved you, he would not be acting in such a despicable manner; there are no excuses.
I don't think you have an option but to tell him to leave (and go and stay with mummy). If you can, get screenshots of all the messages and store them safely. Get your paperwork together and have a chat with a solicitor. It is only a couple of weeks to xmas, so I'd hold fire until the New Year if possible, and then go for divorce. He does not love you, he does not respect you, he does not care.
Sorry OP what a horrid shock

AllTangledUpInTinselAndTiaras · 09/12/2024 12:30

He will not want to change/work on it, and very likely is unable to anyway.

His in laws are not blameless either - this is likely to be something that has been built into him by the way they raised him; the family dynamics are set in stone and will not change.

He has chosen to tell vicious and malicious lies. He does not love his wife - he is unable to feel love. This is evidenced by the way he has behaved.

There's nothing here to save.

RockyRogue1001 · 09/12/2024 12:31

Have you posted about your in laws before?
And something quite recently about taking your LO out in the car with no seat belt?
Or am I confusing ou with somebody else?
Apologies if so

Hoppinggreen · 09/12/2024 12:31

You keep posting about this awful enmeshed family and everyone tells you that it won't get better and you need to find a way to leave asap.

LostSocksBrigade · 09/12/2024 12:33

He needs to leave your family home. Did you protect it as your asset when you married?
He's a pathological liar, my ex was too. He will tell people what suits him to get whatever reaction he wants to feel validated. My ex lied about so much horrible stuff to his family and work etc. It's awful, so awful. I'm so sorry Hun.

LOpportunityCestFuckingEnorme · 09/12/2024 12:34

You're supposed to be in a partnership with him and meanwhile he's been lying about you and undermining you. Not exactly the actions of someone who loves you, is it.

I think he needs to go back to Mummy - it's not like he's bringing anything to the table at your home or in your relationship.

Porcuporpoise · 09/12/2024 12:34

WWID? I'd kick the two faced bastard out onto the street and never look back?

AllTangledUpInTinselAndTiaras · 09/12/2024 12:35

If that's true, @Helpinghand1234, you need to stop asking questions and just get it done. If you can't do it for yourself you need to do it for your children. This is a deeply damaging situation for them.

Yes it's scary, yes it's difficult. There is nothing to do but do it anyway.

curious79 · 09/12/2024 12:36

How awful of him buttttttt..... a lot of men do this. They are conflict averse and like to keep the peace, so they say and do anything to appease overbearing (or not) mothers/women in their lives. My own father speaks with a forked tongue, complaining about one or other of us siblings to one another, and to his girlfriend about us, while constantly running her down to us. It wouldn't surprise me if she planted the seed and he complains about you because that what she likes to hear.

Questions and thoughts:

  • If he needs to vent, could he vent to someone other than your in-laws? It's just not helpful. He needs to have your back - argue behind closed doors, united front to everyone else
  • About having your back, you both need to sit down and speak about what having one another's back looks like. And also what he sees and said in the texts. Are you a little lazy really? Or does he have some rosy eyed view of what a mum should be doing with all her spare time (sarcasm btw) while dealing with a toddler?
  • I think you need to spell out the rot he is causing to set in - in your relationship with the in laws but more crucially causing you to second guess his love for you and the value of your marriage.
  • erm..... have they gifted the farm to him yet? If that's his life they need to do that PDQ so it's free of inheritance tax.
  • Your mother in law is a massive dick. Not everyone can breastfeed, but if you can it's the best start you can give a child from a health perspective. Every study shows that. This alone makes me feel she's the poison.

Given the farming situation they are massively enmeshed in your lives so it's important you create some boundaries and garner some support from him and fundamentally from them if you can.

Don't throw in the towel yet! He's a stupid man managing his main relationship in a stupid way, but work on it given before you said you've had something good.

TotteringonGently · 09/12/2024 12:38

Get screenshots of those messages. They probably won't help in any divorce but it may bring him up cold to see his own lies reflected back at him.

Try not to do anything until you've spoken to a lawyer and found out how exactly the land lies regarding division of assets and custody. He has a farm but you need a house. Could your parents help you with that?

I couldn't forgive that OP and I t hi k if you try, you will never be happy or settled in your marriage again. And your children will pick up on that. You say broken home, I say a home where mummy is happy and focused on her children, not tiptoeing round daddy and wondering what poison he and his mother are exchanging. This is utterly bizarre and horribly cruel behaviour and you have my huge sympathy x

unbelieveable22 · 09/12/2024 12:39

This behaviour is unacceptable. I hope you have taken screenshots of the messages. He doesn't love or respect you. You are carrying his 2nd child and he is sending those messages to his mother who no doubt is passing the information on to others.
You don't want your children to.come from a broken home but you are prepared for them to come from an abusive home if you stay.
You need to.confront him and go straight to his mother, let her know you have read the messages and let her know what a lowlife lying bastard her son is.
Get rid of him.

LordEmsworth · 09/12/2024 12:40

Why is he still there? If his life with you is so awful, presumably he'd be happier living with his mummy again. I'd be kicking him out, not considering how I can fix his lying...

Starlight7080 · 09/12/2024 12:40

He is a weasel of a man . He probably loves playing you all against each other .
I bet he would hate for you to pull him up on all of this in front of his dm .
You don't need this stress whist pregnant.
The one that would worry me is why she is writing when ds is a bit older he can leave you ? So obviously they have spoken about you splitting up . No wonder they did not seem happy about the new baby news. That means he probably won't leave you for a while yet .
As a life partner he sounds awful

Jagoda · 09/12/2024 12:41

I read your previous thread where most posters told you to LTB.

This man and his family are bleeding you dry. He works for them but has no actual income. So as well as providing him with free housing, your only income is what you earn.

He saw you coming OP.

My advice is see a solicitor.

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