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Husband insulting me to MIL

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Helpinghand1234 · 09/12/2024 12:09

Honest opinions please?

I (40f) am married to DH (41m) I’ve always had a tricky but civil relationship with in-laws. They’re overbearing and emeshed (farming family so everyone but them is an outsider)

Things got trickier when we married, then much much trickier when I had DS 15months ago. I’ve basically felt like a surrogate. MIL complains DS is a mummy’s boy, I shouldn’t have breast fed as no one else could feed him, DS doesn’t want to know her when I’m there, she’s not good enough when I’m around etc. If I complain to DH he says I’m stirring up trouble, imagining it or that’s just how she is. He works long hours keeping their farm afloat and has very little time at home in the evenings. When he does come home, at some point mil or fil will phone to see what DH had for dinner etc and ask how DS is. All of his money goes on keeping the farm afloat and my wages pay all our bills (I owned the home mortgage free before we married) When I complained to DH they were intruding on the little family time we had in the evenings the calls became less but constant messages to his phone, but I thought we had created some kind of boundary.

Im now 15 weeks pregnant with DC2. MIL and SIL had a very cold reaction when we told them, and it’s been niggling at me. DH has a way of making me feel like I’m imagining things, but this time I just
couldn’t convince myself that I was imagining it.

I know I’m totally in the wrong here and accept that fully, but this morning around 5am I couldn’t sleep and things were just going around and around my head. DH hadn’t put his phone to charge on his bedside table and it was on the middle of the bed. I unlocked it and started reading messages between him and MIL. I now know why she dislikes me so much. DH has called me lazy, told her there no dinner ready for him when he gets home, he’s had to do all the laundry as Id been lazy all day, I’ve had takeaway but there’s nothing for him, I’m angry and unpleasant/or I’m in a reasonable mood that night, he’s had to clean up my mess as the house was a tip, that I took my son without a coat and hat in the cold weather until he stopped me. He’s told her DS is saying Gran a lot which I’m not pleased about (DS says 3 words and gran isn’t even one of them). Every single thing is a lie.
In all the time we’ve been married I can count on one hand the times he’s come home with no meal ready, and that will be because I’ve just arrived home myself or I’m ill etc. I do all of the laundry (he wouldn’t know how to turn washing machine on) do all the housework (I doubt he knows where the hoover is) and have never taken DS out without either a sunhat or cold weather hat. He says he’s had too cook dinner, put DS to bed and is now cleaning my mess as I’m in bed. (I go to bed the same time as DS as he sleeps for around 3 hours and it’s the longest stretch of sleep I get- he’s then awake every hour/two hours to feed). MIL’s responses are “isn’t she lazy, she must have been in bed all day, she needs a good shake, don’t worry DS will grow soon so you won’t have to stay etc.” When he told her my DM was here, he called her “the old woman” and she responded “is she there to brag about how much money she has?” (My parents are fairly wealthy but not in an ostentatious way- they own property but drive a 15 year old car) She has also repeatedly told DH I’m angry and awful to be around as they’re not good enough for me. Everything he’s told her is a lie, but it’s like he wants to play little boy victim to his mother.

What on earth do I do? I confronted DH this morning- his response was he needed to vent somewhere, which is fair enough, but he wasn’t venting, he was lying and speaking about me in a very hostile and unpleasant way and actively lying. We argued recently as he took DS to mil with no car seat (10 minute journey) and they both had a moan about how I was still stomping my feet about it and being my usual unpleasant self.

What’s most confusing is to my face he’s lovely, we have the odd argument here and there but overall I thought we were happy, he constantly tells me how much he loves me, how happy he is etc but all the while messaging his mother how awful I am. We had a lovely day yesterday buying a Xmas tree and decorating etc and now I feel like my family is destroyed.

Ive spoken to my best friend and DB this morning- they both advised time to cool off before speaking to him to find out why he’s done this. I already know what he’ll say- he can’t get away from her etc, and really it doesn’t matter- how can I ever trust him again? This is the person who is supposed to be my biggest cheerleader but is actively assassinating my character to his mother. I suppose I want some reassurance I’m not overreacting? Is it enough to call it quits? I don’t want DS and DC2 to come from a broken home and I feel so ashamed and embarrassed to be in this situation- all the signs were there that they have an unhealthy relationship but I honestly never thought he would speak about me with such contempt. And worst of all I really do love him- he’s my best friend and when we have time just the 3 of us it’s wonderful. I know he can never go NC with in-laws as without him they’d be destitute, but I’m heartbroken about the situation.

WWYD?

OP posts:
IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 09/12/2024 12:43

I remember your previous thread, OP. This man is a fucking sociopath- you and your children need to get far, far away from him.

CagneyNYPD1 · 09/12/2024 12:43

I am not defending your MIL, but you can now see why she is so cold towards you. Your DH has repeatedly fed her a pack of lies about you which has tainted her view of you.

I would take the bull by the horns and tell him that he has a choice:

He can go to his parents today and tell them the truth. Then book himself in for counselling.

Or he can keep up the lies and move back in with his parents.

I doubt there is a middle ground here.

RaininSummer · 09/12/2024 12:46

I like Cagney's response. You poor thing though. I think this is so horrible.

ginasevern · 09/12/2024 12:48

"And worst of all I really do love him- he’s my best friend and when we have time just the 3 of us it’s wonderful."

How can you say he's your best friend after reading that shit? He's actually your worst enemy! He means you serious harm. If I read such lies about me from my life partner (of all people), I'd be hearbroken beyond words. The damage would be far too great to ever repair. This is almost worse than him having an affair in some ways. He sounds mentally ill quite frankly.

BodyKeepingScore · 09/12/2024 12:49

This wouldn't be something I could forgive. He's actively conducted a character assassination behind your back.

He hasn't sought out support for valid or real difficulties within the relationship, he's outright lied about you to deliberately make other people think poorly of you.

You wouldn't tolerate that kind of behaviour in the workplace, damn sure you don't have to tolerate it in your home and family life.

He sounds like a thoroughly unpleasant man. In your position, I'd leave. I could never get past the betrayal of this.

Penguinmouse · 09/12/2024 12:49

This is not a good relationship. Unless he fundamentally changes the relationship he has with his parents and MIL in particular, it will not work out between you. @CagneyNYPD1 had a perfect response.

healthybychristmas · 09/12/2024 12:50

He's clearly getting sympathy from his mum when he slags you off. She sounds very unpleasant but is also lapping up his lies.

I would sell up and move away but right now I'd pack his bags and leave them on the doorstep. It's unforgivable. The fact he's nice to you makes it even worse.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 09/12/2024 12:52

Having put two and two together about who you are and remembering your other threads, OP, I really think you should leave him.

Anotherworrier · 09/12/2024 12:53

Everything in your relationship is fake. It would be over for me. I couldn’t be with such a weak Mummies boy and complete liar.

JustWalkingTheDogs · 09/12/2024 12:53

There'd be no coming back from this for me.

I understand someone venting (but you also need to be careful to whom, and your mil is not the right person). But he's not vented he's out right lied about it. I have no idea why someone would do that. Let alone someone who is supposed to love and respect you.

I'd be packing him a bag and sending him back to his mothers and go no contact with his entire family. Fuck the lot of them.

PullTheBricksDown · 09/12/2024 12:54

Yes use Cagney's line.

In the meantime, get a solicitor to advise on this
All of his money goes on keeping the farm afloat and my wages pay all our bills (I owned the home mortgage free before we married)
and how you keep him out of a claim to your home. Don't give him the benefit of the doubt and think he won't do it. You now know he lies about you and to you.

Purplecatshopaholic · 09/12/2024 12:55

I’m so sorry op. My ex did similar - when I found out I just felt so betrayed and it was impossible to get over. I think you need to split before this toxicity affects you and your kids even more than it already does.

PinkyFlamingo · 09/12/2024 12:58

Nope this would the end of the road for me. You know full well he wasn't venting he's deliberately making up lies about you!

Merryoldgoat · 09/12/2024 12:58

@Helpinghand1234

All of your threads have the same result. You know this is toxic and shitty but you won’t take action.

Now you have proof that your husband is a vile liar.

If you stay even a day longer you’re a fool.

kaela100 · 09/12/2024 12:59

I think your family is right. Calm down and then plan what you want to do next.

If the marriage is good except for him badmouthing you to his mum (and you need to check if he's not doing the same to his friends), then I'd make a list of everything he told his mum he was doing and make him do it. From now on he cooks, cleans, looks after child, lets you have a lie in - and if he doesn't you're in your rights to badmouth him to anyone you see fit.

I would also make it clear to him that his mum will not being seeing / speaking to either you or your kids again.

Ppzd · 09/12/2024 12:59

That would be a deal breaker for me. Saying such horrible, hurtful lies about you behind your back is abusive and toxic. The relationship he has with his mom is toxic. I imagine she will try and instate the same kind of relationship with your DS. What then? Will her and your DH start spreading lies about you to your own sons?!?!?! It is not ok and however your DH wants to wrap this, there's no justifying it. I'd want to kick him out of your house and send him back to his mom. I'd try and have full custody of the kids and only have supervised visits for him and MIL. Not sure if that's doable? Is the house only owned by you, he's not on any documents or anything that would make it illegal to kick him out? Sorry, I know nothing about the legal implications at this point. I know other pps will know better and will tell you to get a solicitor ASAP.

HappyTwo · 09/12/2024 13:00

I'm sorry this is heart breaking - but he does need to be your biggest supporter and if he can tell lies like that....how will you ever trust him?

thepariscrimefiles · 09/12/2024 13:00

curious79 · 09/12/2024 12:36

How awful of him buttttttt..... a lot of men do this. They are conflict averse and like to keep the peace, so they say and do anything to appease overbearing (or not) mothers/women in their lives. My own father speaks with a forked tongue, complaining about one or other of us siblings to one another, and to his girlfriend about us, while constantly running her down to us. It wouldn't surprise me if she planted the seed and he complains about you because that what she likes to hear.

Questions and thoughts:

  • If he needs to vent, could he vent to someone other than your in-laws? It's just not helpful. He needs to have your back - argue behind closed doors, united front to everyone else
  • About having your back, you both need to sit down and speak about what having one another's back looks like. And also what he sees and said in the texts. Are you a little lazy really? Or does he have some rosy eyed view of what a mum should be doing with all her spare time (sarcasm btw) while dealing with a toddler?
  • I think you need to spell out the rot he is causing to set in - in your relationship with the in laws but more crucially causing you to second guess his love for you and the value of your marriage.
  • erm..... have they gifted the farm to him yet? If that's his life they need to do that PDQ so it's free of inheritance tax.
  • Your mother in law is a massive dick. Not everyone can breastfeed, but if you can it's the best start you can give a child from a health perspective. Every study shows that. This alone makes me feel she's the poison.

Given the farming situation they are massively enmeshed in your lives so it's important you create some boundaries and garner some support from him and fundamentally from them if you can.

Don't throw in the towel yet! He's a stupid man managing his main relationship in a stupid way, but work on it given before you said you've had something good.

There has never been anything good about their relationship. All the money and the home they live in has come from OP. She gets nothing positive from her DH and her in-laws. OP has another thread about her DH and inlaws driving her son with no car seat.

How is making up a load of toxic lies about how lazy, awful and uncaring his wife is just managing his main relationship in a stupid way? Why would anybody put up with that?

MrsSlocombesCat · 09/12/2024 13:00

I seem to be in the minority who read your post properly and know that you own the house you live in. Kick him out, this is utter betrayal and you will never trust him again.

Ppzd · 09/12/2024 13:03

curious79 · 09/12/2024 12:36

How awful of him buttttttt..... a lot of men do this. They are conflict averse and like to keep the peace, so they say and do anything to appease overbearing (or not) mothers/women in their lives. My own father speaks with a forked tongue, complaining about one or other of us siblings to one another, and to his girlfriend about us, while constantly running her down to us. It wouldn't surprise me if she planted the seed and he complains about you because that what she likes to hear.

Questions and thoughts:

  • If he needs to vent, could he vent to someone other than your in-laws? It's just not helpful. He needs to have your back - argue behind closed doors, united front to everyone else
  • About having your back, you both need to sit down and speak about what having one another's back looks like. And also what he sees and said in the texts. Are you a little lazy really? Or does he have some rosy eyed view of what a mum should be doing with all her spare time (sarcasm btw) while dealing with a toddler?
  • I think you need to spell out the rot he is causing to set in - in your relationship with the in laws but more crucially causing you to second guess his love for you and the value of your marriage.
  • erm..... have they gifted the farm to him yet? If that's his life they need to do that PDQ so it's free of inheritance tax.
  • Your mother in law is a massive dick. Not everyone can breastfeed, but if you can it's the best start you can give a child from a health perspective. Every study shows that. This alone makes me feel she's the poison.

Given the farming situation they are massively enmeshed in your lives so it's important you create some boundaries and garner some support from him and fundamentally from them if you can.

Don't throw in the towel yet! He's a stupid man managing his main relationship in a stupid way, but work on it given before you said you've had something good.

Completely disagree with this! If a man cannot stand up for his partner against an "overbearing woman/mother" in his life, then his is not a partner!
Also, just because your dad made that the norm for you and your siblings doesn't mean that that behaviour is OK, acceptable or even normal!

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 09/12/2024 13:05

In your shoes I would kick him out, sell the house and move away so there is some physical distance between your house and the farm. I don't know how your relationship would survive this. He doesn't love you and given the choice between moving away and building a new life, it does not sound like you would be his choice. His parents could sell the farm and survive.

I would also be seriously considering whether or not to go through with this pregnancy. I'm sorry. Realistically it sounds as though your children will be completely gas lit on all and any visits to GP's and your options to limit contact are very limited indeed. He's not in love with you, treats you awfully and leaches off you but he's not done anything the authorities would consider abusive enough to allow you full custody.

Bollocksmorelike · 09/12/2024 13:08

How horrendous! There is no coming back from this. He thinks his behaviour is ok, no one deserves to be with someone who would treat them like this.
He is your enemy, and he has been very very clear with these actions. There is nothing ambiguous about his behaviour, you need to get the hell away from this awful person.
I am sorry for you.

OhBling · 09/12/2024 13:08

I'd have some sympathy if he was actually venting - I'm sure DH vents to his mum and sister about me, as I do occassionally to my family. But those vents are short and in the context of 95% of the time talking positively to and about each other AND they're not lies. why is he actively trying to drive a wedge between your MIL and you?! It's so weird.

krustykittens · 09/12/2024 13:08

He's not your best friend, OP, He is lying about you to his family for God only knows what reason to make them all hate you, isolating you in an abusive relationship with your entire in-laws, despite the fact that you are financially keeping them all afloat. These are toxic people and the source of it all is you so called best friend. Kick him out, move on, let the fuckers sink. I would also be taking screenshots of all these messages to prove parental alienation in a custody case.

uptheculdesac · 09/12/2024 13:09

kaela100 · 09/12/2024 12:59

I think your family is right. Calm down and then plan what you want to do next.

If the marriage is good except for him badmouthing you to his mum (and you need to check if he's not doing the same to his friends), then I'd make a list of everything he told his mum he was doing and make him do it. From now on he cooks, cleans, looks after child, lets you have a lie in - and if he doesn't you're in your rights to badmouth him to anyone you see fit.

I would also make it clear to him that his mum will not being seeing / speaking to either you or your kids again.

This. Or maybe and... and/or.... I would tell him he must invite his parents over and then tell them the truth. Tell them all the things that he has said that are untrue. Tell then that he has been making shit up and if he doesn't know why then tell them that too.

Tell them he has ruined the relationship and that it's his fault not yours and see what their reaction is. If they are anything other than horrified and apologetic to you then you need to consider leaving