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To stipulate minimum number of nights at home for DD?

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teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 08:48

DD turned 18 a few months ago. Her 18th birthday coincided with her meeting a new boyfriend who she is inseparable from. She spends around 1-3 nights per fortnight at home, and that's only to sleep / occasionally grab food or a shower. She doesn't converse with anyone (unless to ask for lifts or to borrow cash), and she certainly doesn't do any housework. Since this time there have been numerous issues and arguments; mostly around the following themes:

  • constant requests for lifts from me or partner (although this has declined since her boyfriend passed his driving test a few weeks ago as he's seemingly the taxi now)
  • never doing any housework
  • never being at home long enough to converse with anyone and all her interactions being requests for something
  • letting me and her little sister down after agreeing to do something with us and then dropping us in favour of the boyfriend (little sister is only 3 so doesn't understand and gets very upset about her big sister not being there)
  • more recently me and my partner (her step dad) we're both told to "fuck off" when we were unable to facilitate a lift whilst juggling bedtime and household tasks between us after work one evening (she later apologised for this; but it's left a very sour taste)
  • boyfriend got involved in disagreement following the above incident, and whilst I was the on the phone to her during a heated discussion about that, I was apparently on loudspeaker as I could hear the boyfriend chirping up "just hang up on her" (to my daughter about me)

I'm at my wits end and I can't take anymore. I've contact the GP for some medication to take the edge off because I feel so low and as though I've basically lost my daughter. I've tried telling her miss her, I'm sad about it all, I want her to spend more time at home, etc. She still doesn't. All I get from her is, "it's normal for me to want to be at his house more often he's a new boyfriend". However, she makes time for her dad, her dad's side of the family, my sister (her aunt who's she close to), her friends, and her boyfriend. The only person she lets down and seems to not want to be around is me.

She pays no board (she's at college and works part time earning only about £70-100 a week so I've never taken any money off her). I pay for her phone contract. She doesn't contribute to the food shop here but does buy her own takeaways etc . Her only regular bill is a gym membership.

I've suggested to her since she appears to not live here anymore that she moves out and pays her boyfriends mum board? The response was "I don't want to move out". But 1-3 nights here a fortnight on average would suggest she pretty much has moved out. She has the largest room in the house and it's just wasted space, it's never occupied.

My AIBU is, would I be unreasonable to stipulate that if she wants to continue to live here that I put in place the following rules:

1- she actually occupies her room more regularly than 1-3 times a fortnight? So set a minimum number.
2- she pulls her weight with household tasks and until I see her doing so on a regular basis without any prompting or nagging, I will charge her board. I will stop charging board once she pulls her weight regularly.

Does this sound reasonable? My head is a total mess with it all, I'm struggling to disentangle the emotion from the practical side, so it may come across as garbled. I'm not a good place with it all tbh as I feel so lost and as though she just dislikes me for some reason 😔

Any help appreciated.

OP posts:
teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:38

Halfemptyhalfling · 09/12/2024 10:37

She is not really living at home any more so she shouldn't really be required to do housework.

Sounds like the worst thing practically is the lifts and that seems to have been sorted.

Most important is she has contraception sorted and knows she has a home to come back to should she want a break from the boyfriend.

Oh ok, I'll dump her washing back in her room then?

OP posts:
Snugglemonkey · 09/12/2024 10:39

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 09:00

No I don't think that's the case, and further evidence against this is the fact that her dad has 2 half siblings who arrived some time before my youngest - and she is very close with her dad and spends time with him often. She has never told him to fuck off to my knowledge and she spends time there because she wants to.

Are you asking yourself why she doesn't want to spend time with you ? I don't think your ideas around charging her or insisting on chores when she is not there will help.

Plastictrees · 09/12/2024 10:39

You need to be seeking mental health support OP, not discussing your daughter with strangers on the internet. Incidentally, your daughter is not responsible for your mental health.

You are focused on blaming your daughter or her boyfriend and seem to take no responsibility at all for the dynamic you have helped to create. You are determined to see yourself as the victim and it’s thoroughly unhelpful.

Sushu · 09/12/2024 10:39

OP, what sort of support do you have for your mental health? Most areas have talking therapies where you can self refer. You can start that today and start getting some help to manage your mental health. It may be easier to address this problem once you feel a bit better in yourself.

35965a · 09/12/2024 10:40

There actually isn’t much you can do, and I think when you accept that you might feel better.
So she shouldn’t be telling you to fuck off but she did apologise (via text) so just let it go.
The boyfriend telling her to hang up on you isn’t great but if my husband was arguing on the phone with anyone I’d tell him to hang up. So is it really that awful? No.
Her not cleaning up after herself but then she’s only around a few days a month, so how much mess can she be making?

The more you grasp and pull the more she will pull away. At 18 I would rather be with my boyfriend than with my mum and her boyfriend and a toddler. Its normal.

So just keep being there for her, pick your battles wisely and maybe try to get to know her boyfriend a bit if you can.

ThatTealViewer · 09/12/2024 10:40

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:33

@ThatTealViewer
I've actually made a few other threads under different names about her education, and it's not the focus of this thread hence why it's only briefly mentioned! But you keep on desperately pedalling that narrative of me as a shitty mother!

Again, melodrama. I’m not ‘desperately peddling’ anything. I’m responding to the things you’re saying. It’s also interesting that you chose to focus on that sentence in my comment, as opposed to responding to the whole thing.

You are engaging like a thwarted toddler.

Menace24 · 09/12/2024 10:41

Anxioustealady · 09/12/2024 10:37

She's a child, living at home. Not an adult.

Doesn't matter where she lives. She's a legal adult.

My 18 year old cleans their mess in the bathroom, why wouldnt they? They don't get to just leave shit for the rest of the legal adults living in the house.

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:41

Plastictrees · 09/12/2024 10:39

You need to be seeking mental health support OP, not discussing your daughter with strangers on the internet. Incidentally, your daughter is not responsible for your mental health.

You are focused on blaming your daughter or her boyfriend and seem to take no responsibility at all for the dynamic you have helped to create. You are determined to see yourself as the victim and it’s thoroughly unhelpful.

Edited

You could say that about half of the posts on here. People post on anonymous forums for support that sort of the point of them.

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thepariscrimefiles · 09/12/2024 10:41

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:19

Those saying she shouldn't have to do chores? So I should be happily doing her pile of washing every week and never question that? I should happily clean a bathroom she's used and left fake tan marks all over every week? She's 18, not 8!?

I know it's hard, but try and keep your emotions out of it. If she feels smothered, she will pull back more. If she wants to be treated like an adult, with the freedoms that this brings, she should pay for her own phone and do her own washing and she can't expect you to drive her everywhere, particularly with no notice. Try and be practical, rather than emotional.

Halfemptyhalfling · 09/12/2024 10:41

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:38

Oh ok, I'll dump her washing back in her room then?

If you don't have time to do it I would put it in a black sack neatly in her room yes

Pippa246 · 09/12/2024 10:41

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:37

Oh ok, well it's interesting then that she was a happy and fully involved member of this family and absolutely doted on her little sister, up until around 8 weeks ago when a new boyfriend arrived. Coincidence.

No not a coincidence- but she’s “in love” so nothing you say can change that. You are coming across really angry and defensive despite multiple posters telling you this is typical of DC at her age. She absolutely WILL be picking up on your negativity which will mean she doesn’t want to spend time with you.

Strawberrysaucee · 09/12/2024 10:42

OP, please listen to people who are telling you it is normal, that this stage is completely normal. I can totally understand why it's upsetting and why you miss her but this level of anguish over your daughter being less present at home in the last 2 months is totally out of proportion.

Was it just you and her for a long time by any chance?

ItGhoul · 09/12/2024 10:42

She is an adult, so no, I don't think you can tell her when she can/can't go out or stay at her boyfriend's. I also think if she's barely at home she shouldn't need to do housework beyond picking up after herself, really.

She obviously shouldn't be telling you to fuck off and the lifts thing is annoying, but I think you're being a bit unrealistic expecting to keep an adult in the house against her will and she sounds like a normal 18-year-old to me.

Mirabai · 09/12/2024 10:43

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:38

Oh ok, I'll dump her washing back in her room then?

I was in charge of my own washing from the age of 12 and the chores in the house I was responsible for, I did all the way through my teenage years.

If you’ve always done this stuff for her - it’s hardly surprising that she’s not doing it now, particularly as she’s not home much.

Plastictrees · 09/12/2024 10:43

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:41

You could say that about half of the posts on here. People post on anonymous forums for support that sort of the point of them.

Often posters will take suggestions on board and be willing to self reflect, you are not doing that. You are very combative and I can understand why your daughter would be struggling.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 09/12/2024 10:43

If she's doing A levels her uni applications are due and her exams are what 5 months away?

I'd sit her down and simply say that you're worried about her. New relationships often have a honeymoon phase but you are concerned she may look back and wish she'd spent a bit more time on the books. I'd also tell her that you miss her, and her little sister does and doesn't know why her adored older sister has no time for her anymore.

As for the bedroom - to be honest, I'd suck it up for now. You don't want to be the excuse if she gets crap grades "Mum threw me out / moved me to a box room with no desk". If the situation is as is by June, I'd reorganise then.

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:43

Strawberrysaucee · 09/12/2024 10:42

OP, please listen to people who are telling you it is normal, that this stage is completely normal. I can totally understand why it's upsetting and why you miss her but this level of anguish over your daughter being less present at home in the last 2 months is totally out of proportion.

Was it just you and her for a long time by any chance?

Yes, it was just me and her for 9 years.

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Jellycatspyjamas · 09/12/2024 10:43

She does not want to be here longer than 5 mins so how I can create any sort of relationship or nice environment? 🤷‍♀️ I'm at a loss.

You’re not creating a relationship from scratch though, the relationship you have with her is changing as she grows, develops new relationships and interests. At the moment she’s “in love” and you’re not part of that relationship.

At this stage your relationship with her is much less about actually spending time together and more about bonds over space and time (the essence of attachment). She needs to know you’re there, that you cherish her, that you are consistent, that you have her back, that you’re a safe place for her - being the “wallpaper” or foundation she explores the world from and returns to.

It’s hard when you want coffee dates and conversations - that will come back again in time.

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:44

@Plastictrees
Wrong, again. I refer you to my many other posts where I have thanked posters for their helpful advice.

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AnonymousBleep · 09/12/2024 10:44

You do sound unreasonable tbh. Why would you be expecting an 18-year-old in full time education to be paying you board? Also, most teenagers probably wouldn't want to be in a house with a toddler (I actually think having a baby when you have kids doing GCSEs/A-levels is selfish tbh) and if she's not at home, why should she be doing chores? From what you've said, it seems like you have unrealistic expectations and want her to be at home helping you with housework and her little sister, and also giving you money, and unsurprisingly she's not up for that. Be careful you don't push her away completely.

quoque · 09/12/2024 10:44

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:38

Oh ok, I'll dump her washing back in her room then?

Yes.

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:45

also tell her that you miss her, and her little sister does and doesn't know why her adored older sister has no time for her anymore.

I've been told this is emotional blackmail and not OK. Otherwise I'd have felt it was OK to say this to her tbh

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teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:46

@Jellycatspyjamas
Thanks that's very helpful

OP posts:
Babynamedrama · 09/12/2024 10:46

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:45

also tell her that you miss her, and her little sister does and doesn't know why her adored older sister has no time for her anymore.

I've been told this is emotional blackmail and not OK. Otherwise I'd have felt it was OK to say this to her tbh

Who the hell typed this???? This is as emotionally manipulative as it gets!!

ThatTealViewer · 09/12/2024 10:46

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 10:35

You can invent whatever narrative you want. It's not about babysitting. I'm absolutely pig sick of people inventing stuff now!! This is so exhausting I just need some support! I have literally nowhere to turn and I am at my wits end and people just NEED to stick the boot in don't they? I've sobbed my eyes out from opening them at 6am, if that makes anyone feel better?? So maybe people could just lay off now??

YABU for needing ‘support’ and crying your eyes out because your teenage daughter has been hanging out with her new boyfriend instead of you for eight weeks.

Also, you are an adult. If you are wholly incapable of dealing with people telling you you’re wrong, you can leave or hide the thread. There is absolutely nothing forcing you to continue reading and engaging.

However, I suspect you will keep reading, commenting and lamenting about how horribly commenters are treating you.