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To stipulate minimum number of nights at home for DD?

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teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 08:48

DD turned 18 a few months ago. Her 18th birthday coincided with her meeting a new boyfriend who she is inseparable from. She spends around 1-3 nights per fortnight at home, and that's only to sleep / occasionally grab food or a shower. She doesn't converse with anyone (unless to ask for lifts or to borrow cash), and she certainly doesn't do any housework. Since this time there have been numerous issues and arguments; mostly around the following themes:

  • constant requests for lifts from me or partner (although this has declined since her boyfriend passed his driving test a few weeks ago as he's seemingly the taxi now)
  • never doing any housework
  • never being at home long enough to converse with anyone and all her interactions being requests for something
  • letting me and her little sister down after agreeing to do something with us and then dropping us in favour of the boyfriend (little sister is only 3 so doesn't understand and gets very upset about her big sister not being there)
  • more recently me and my partner (her step dad) we're both told to "fuck off" when we were unable to facilitate a lift whilst juggling bedtime and household tasks between us after work one evening (she later apologised for this; but it's left a very sour taste)
  • boyfriend got involved in disagreement following the above incident, and whilst I was the on the phone to her during a heated discussion about that, I was apparently on loudspeaker as I could hear the boyfriend chirping up "just hang up on her" (to my daughter about me)

I'm at my wits end and I can't take anymore. I've contact the GP for some medication to take the edge off because I feel so low and as though I've basically lost my daughter. I've tried telling her miss her, I'm sad about it all, I want her to spend more time at home, etc. She still doesn't. All I get from her is, "it's normal for me to want to be at his house more often he's a new boyfriend". However, she makes time for her dad, her dad's side of the family, my sister (her aunt who's she close to), her friends, and her boyfriend. The only person she lets down and seems to not want to be around is me.

She pays no board (she's at college and works part time earning only about £70-100 a week so I've never taken any money off her). I pay for her phone contract. She doesn't contribute to the food shop here but does buy her own takeaways etc . Her only regular bill is a gym membership.

I've suggested to her since she appears to not live here anymore that she moves out and pays her boyfriends mum board? The response was "I don't want to move out". But 1-3 nights here a fortnight on average would suggest she pretty much has moved out. She has the largest room in the house and it's just wasted space, it's never occupied.

My AIBU is, would I be unreasonable to stipulate that if she wants to continue to live here that I put in place the following rules:

1- she actually occupies her room more regularly than 1-3 times a fortnight? So set a minimum number.
2- she pulls her weight with household tasks and until I see her doing so on a regular basis without any prompting or nagging, I will charge her board. I will stop charging board once she pulls her weight regularly.

Does this sound reasonable? My head is a total mess with it all, I'm struggling to disentangle the emotion from the practical side, so it may come across as garbled. I'm not a good place with it all tbh as I feel so lost and as though she just dislikes me for some reason 😔

Any help appreciated.

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CentrifugalBumblePuppy · 09/12/2024 12:16

As someone who has cPTSD with associated panic attacks, depression, anxiety etc., I have complete sympathy with your struggles with mental health.

However, your daughter, just like my now adult children, are not responsible for your mental well being.

You need to separate the two issues out. As I have read this, by pinning what you see as awful changes to your daughter into the boyfriend, it means you are making him out to be the focus for all of your issues. ‘

‘DD always out with boyfriend -> she’s rarely here with me -> the bathroom isn’t tidy -> I’m crying myself to sleep with having panic attacks -> therefore the boyfriend must be the issue!’.

However, from an external perspective we can see that you have an independent 18 year old daughter, who is not only doing A Levels with the aim of going to University but is also holding down a part time job, has a boyfriend, keeps a relationship together with her Dad and her Auntie on a seemingly regular basis, has several younger siblings from both Mum & Dad she loves and also feels secure & comfortable enough to be a pretty normal 18 year who wanders back to Mum for laundry/advice/a good feed and a change of clothes.

Saying that your 3 year old is upset when 18 year old DD doesn’t come around sounds a little ‘laying it on thick with a trowel’ (as my Mum would say, oh the irony) in order to provoke sympathy. My then 3 year old DD was upset one day because she’d dreamed she had a pair of fluffy pink slippers, only to find out that her real fluffy slippers were purple when she woke up, but because she was 3 then, by having a hug & reassuring her, then redirecting her with an activity to stop her from focussing on her imagined apocalyptic level slipper trauma.

And I mean she was almost inconsolable that morning. You’d think King Herod had slaughtered her firstborn by the wailing that ensued. By not focussing on the bloody slippers, and continually reminding her about the blooming pink dream slippers, she was absolutely fine.

Are you sure, in your scenario, that your 3 year old isn’t being reminded by you that her older DD had promised to be there at a particular day or time? Like, “Aww DD, older DD hasn’t come to see you again, oh isn’t it awful!” Or if she asks about older DD you’re not saying to her, “Oh little DD! She hasn’t come around again! How awful she is!”? Because if you are, then all you’re doing is reminding her about the damn dream pink slippers.

What you should be doing is saying, “Oh! Don’t worry! We’ll see older DD another day! Now, let’s go & make mud pies or build an atom bomb!”. You know older DD is mostly in & out, so why perpetually remind your 3 year old that older DD isn’t there, and how unfair it all is?

And as much as you believe your mental health issues are being hidden from your kids, please realise that they aren’t. Kids, even 3 year olds, are very astute and are sponges when it comes to their emotional environment. If you are always angry or upset when older DD is in the house, then your 3 year old will try to placate or make Mummy better by echoing the same sadness back to you, as she’ll see that as a way of empathising with you as a kind of child like solidarity.

Likewise, if you are upset about DD, little DD will be upset about older DD. If you are angry with older DD, younger DD may hyperfocus on older DDs absence as she will see that as being the right emotional thing to do, as heck, that’s what Mummy does, and Mummy is always right, eh?

Continually reminding younger DD that older DD isn’t there or is the reason for younger DD being sad is incredibly unhealthy for everyone.

Going to the GP to get further treatment for your anxiety, panic attacks etc., is a very good first step. Hyper fixation on pinning every issue on either the boyfriend or older DD is neither helpful or healthy. As I said at the beginning, your children are not responsible for your mental health. You cannot demand they do X, Y or Z because you’d find it easier to cope with (and what DD is doing is pretty normal for a teenager if I’m honest). What you need to be doing is finding better strategies for dealing with your own mental health, because that will be having a detrimental affect on not only the 18 year old (could it be of Mum’s always on her back or being blamed for everything she doesn’t feel welcome at home?) but on your 3 year old as well.

You remember I said about the fact I have cPTSD? A healthy chunk of that was due to the mental health issues of both my parents (as well as being SA’d as a child, and adult, plus DV throughout my childhood). They were violent to each other and me. If I wrote everything that happened to me as a kid (and even as an adult by my parents) then I’d be pissing over everyone’s Monday morning. Even when they thought they were being normal, they weren’t.

So as to break that awful cycle I worked hard to accept & find solutions so that I wasn’t going to be the mother whose emotions we all had to tightrope walk around. And the same with my Dad. Everything was always someone else’s fault, and they never took responsibility for anything that happened, ever. Home wasn’t a welcoming place. It wasn’t open arms & comforting hugs when you needed it. If you had a problem, it was always, “Yes, but my problems are so much worse!”. I didn’t spend a lot of time at home as an 18 year old either, and as such became the font of all blame. Mum still maintains that my having a child at 19 (without their help) was the reason my Dad left (and I’m now in my fifties!). So he must’ve fallen and accidentally slipped into the vagina of a younger woman then (multiple times, clumsy Dad)?! I could’ve tidied every inch of the house and I still would’ve done it wrong (and often did, Mum was always in front of the TV with her hand on her forehead in the ‘oh, it’s all so awful and it’s all your fault!’ pose, from my earliest memories until a couple of months ago when I last saw her).

Whereas in reality, I wasn’t at home because it didn’t feel welcome, I worked every hour I could to help set me up for Uni & achieving escape velocity from my parents.

With the greatest of respect, this is not DD’s problem to solve. Please, try & take the advice the majority are giving you. Kids aren’t there to mend us, it’s our job as parents to support them. Teenagers are unconsciously selfish at times because, they’re teenagers (have taught & volunteered with thousands of kids from 5-18). I wish you well.

BackForABit · 09/12/2024 12:16

Goldenbear · 09/12/2024 12:08

Sorry but I think this analysis is highly dramatic, she's a Mum of an 18 year old, one that is still College age, her concerns are completely normal and look nothing like codependency. It is completely normal to miss the childhood days, you just have to learn to process it and then realise the next chapter has begun!

I'm not sure sobbing since 6am or being put on medication (which sound like tranquilisers) is a normal reaction to parenting an 18 year old spending most of their time at their new boyfriend's for 8 weeks, swearing once and not wanting to spend time with their infant sibling?

I think many posters are genuinely not trying to be facetious or dismissive when they say they think OP needs to seek more mental health support.

DailyDoily · 09/12/2024 12:16

This sounds very similar to a situation with my cousin when we were about the same age. Mt aunt out rules in place and effectively pushed my cousin away - and didn’t see her for years.

If you can find it in yourself, leave everything exactly as it is, leave her room and stop with the conversations about how she should move out. I understand you’re hurting from this, and feeling taken for granted but stick with it - welcome her home every time with a smile, and no fuss or drama, cook lovely food and create a lovely atmosphere for her to experience.

Then a few things might happen - you’re relationship with her starts to be more fun for both of you as you really cherish the time she does spend with you, chat when you’re being a taxi etc. she might even choose to spend more time with you and at your place as she genuinely enjoys being there.

and please keep telling her you love her no matter what and she is always welcome at home, whatever and whenever she needs (you need to be there if they break up, if nothing else).

Try to enjoy each other again and set a lovely pattern for your relationship with her as a grown up adult..

ffsfindmeausername · 09/12/2024 12:17

Aw I feel your pain op. I'm going through a similar thing with my teen dd who's almost 17. No boyfriend for my dd as yet but she also never wants to spend time with me anymore so i can relate. dd will happily go to her dad's and has lots of time for him when dd is home she spends 99% of her time in her room i only see her at meal times. I know when she's at her dad's she's sat downstairs with him having family time. it hurts. Dd and I do get on well, but whenever I suggest doing anything together it's always a no or I get a tut and an eye roll. No idea why mothers don't really matter to teen dc and we're always second best.

wombat15 · 09/12/2024 12:18

My DC are now in their twenties.I think she is behaving pretty normally for an 18 year old who is probably in love for the first time. You can't compete with that so let it run its course. She should be clearing up after herself but I think any other demands will backfire at the moment. She’ll be back to her usual self within a few months and I would wait patiently until then.

sweeneytoddsrazor · 09/12/2024 12:18

Of course its not a coincidence that she wants to spend far less time with you and a 3 year old sister now she has a boyfriend. At 18 her boyfriend is going to be a far more exciting person to spend time with especially in the early stages of a relationship. That doesn't mean she has stopped caring about you and her little sister it just means she is going through a different life stage right now. She should wipe the shower after use and do her own washing. Don't push her to be spending more time with you. Just be bright and breezy and carry on your day when she is there. If you are making a coffee or something to eat ask if she wants anything but don't make her feel pressured. She will come and chat if she wants to.

Rachie1973 · 09/12/2024 12:19

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 09:03

@Sushu thanks that's very helpful to a mum at her wits end seeking medication from the Gp. Glad you popped along.

Honestly if you need medicating for this I’d assume you have more MH issues than you’re telling us about.

Shes at college, full time education. You can claim child benefit for her.

Shes never there…… sounds fairly normal.

Shes rude….. well yeah. Some teens are, doesn’t mean you have to accept it. I wouldn’t be told to Fuck off.

She’s lazy….. again. Fairly normal, not something you have to tolerate though.

Honestly I think you’ve built this up into something much bigger than it needs to be.

Goldenbear · 09/12/2024 12:19

Apolloneuro · 09/12/2024 12:11

Of course it normal, but words like ‘bereft’’ and ‘intensely’ and needing medication are a pretty extreme response, don’t you think? It’s not a criticism of the OP, by the way. I feel sorry for her as she’s obviously really upset.

I don't know, I think quite a few parents use the word, 'bereft' to describe that change in the dynamics of the relationship when they move onto serious adult relationships or go to uni or just move out. Surely, it depends entirely on your relationship with your children, if you're close or not, how many children you have, if you're I are friendly with each other rather than a formal relationship etc...

Fluffyiguana · 09/12/2024 12:24

I don't want to give you something more to worry about when you have so much on your plate already, but reading this reminded me so much of when I was in an abusive and controlling relationship as a teenager.

I did want to spend all my time with him, but it was also demanded by him that I do so. Because of the stress I was under due to the intensity of the relationship and the 'punishments' I would receive if I was unavailable I remember getting into similar arguments with my parents where if I couldn't do what the BF wanted (i.e. get a lift to him) I would explode, swear at them etc. because I would just be so frantic and desperate.

And him telling her to hang up on you is absolutely the sort of thing that would happen.

There's red flags all over this.

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 12:25

@Goldenbear thank you for understanding my view point, you seem to really get it.

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TriangleLight · 09/12/2024 12:25

This is extrapolating madly!

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 12:25

@Fluffyiguana that's a worry, I do hope that's not what's happening 😔

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teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 12:26

Tink63 · 09/12/2024 12:13

I have been in this situation with my DD (now 25). I promise you it will pass.

In our case, DD then 16, was basically being controlled and coerced into spending time with said boyfriend and his family. This took the form of threats and threatened suicide. We suspected at the time but she denied it. My greatest fear was that she would fall pregnant and end up with the PoS.

She was also entitled and selfish. I even spend ages decorating her room because she was round his house all the time. I was very stupid.

She finally ended the relationship when she went to Uni in another town and the scales fell from her eyes. She later reported him to the police.

I remember the frustration and upset, but I would strongly advise you not to react or give ultimatums. Perhaps they are both just fucking entitled and selfish.
But anyway, keep inviting DD and bf round for meals or to join you in stuff as a family. It won’t be forever. Bite your tongue and keep her onside.

Also incredibly worrying to read this.

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Goldenbear · 09/12/2024 12:26

BackForABit · 09/12/2024 12:16

I'm not sure sobbing since 6am or being put on medication (which sound like tranquilisers) is a normal reaction to parenting an 18 year old spending most of their time at their new boyfriend's for 8 weeks, swearing once and not wanting to spend time with their infant sibling?

I think many posters are genuinely not trying to be facetious or dismissive when they say they think OP needs to seek more mental health support.

At the end of the day if she wants to university and getting good A level results will definitely be compromised if spending 8 weeks at your boyfriend's house in the upper sixth! They are so young for such intensity. I would be worried if my DS moved in with his girlfriend now and luckily for me, DS's girlfriend's Mum would be equally worried. That worry would be greater if he was on an apprenticeship scheme as he has completely different educational objectives and will not understand or care the impact of playing married couples is going to have at that age on her future.

Goldenbear · 09/12/2024 12:27

Goldenbear · 09/12/2024 12:26

At the end of the day if she wants to university and getting good A level results will definitely be compromised if spending 8 weeks at your boyfriend's house in the upper sixth! They are so young for such intensity. I would be worried if my DS moved in with his girlfriend now and luckily for me, DS's girlfriend's Mum would be equally worried. That worry would be greater if he was on an apprenticeship scheme as he has completely different educational objectives and will not understand or care the impact of playing married couples is going to have at that age on her future.

Sorry, for awful grammar.

BridgetsBigPants · 09/12/2024 12:28

Hey @teenmumstress24, I have not read the whole thread but I have read all of your responses and I am feeling for you. I have a 17 year old son and it is bloody hard some days. It sounds like you are getting a rough time from some of the other posters at the moment.

As for your daughter, try not to sweat the small stuff. Teenage years are challenging for both the teen and the parents. They are learning to assert their independence and we are learning to accept it. It sucks some days. I don't think you are unreasonable in wanting your daughter home more. My son is about to go into his last year of high school. I don't yet allow him to stay at his long term girlfriends because it is a slippery slope and I think they both need to focus on school before things go that far.

However his girlfriend is here a lot and when she isn't here they are at her house. Have you spoken to your daughter about getting to know her boyfriend? He sounds like a twat but for your daughters sake I would feign an interest. Say that you know he is a big part of her life now and you would like to get to know him. Have him over for dinner, ask them to hang out at your house some of the time etc

I would also speak to her about making more effort with her schooling. Was she at the parent teacher meeting? Reiterate what you were told there. I'm not from the UK but I assume A levels is like her final year of schooling before uni? Try to come at things with empathy, even when you aren't feeling it.

rainbowstardrops · 09/12/2024 12:28

She's behaving like a bit of a dick but she's 18 and 18 year olds often act like a dick!
I know the boyfriend cancelled the meet up but I think maybe you should try to welcome him to yours more (even if that doesn't really appeal to you!) and maybe that will strengthen the relationship?

Karmacode · 09/12/2024 12:30

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 11:57

@sandyhappypeople
Your first sentence sums up my feelings. It may sound "melodramatic" to people who haven't been there and aren't capable of empathy, but ultimately you've hit the nail on the head there. We were so close for so long, and now I just feel bereft without that relationship. It's only because I love and care about so much that I feel it so intensely. And the feeling that I've done something wrong as a mum to have suddenly lost her like this, that guilt, is what's eating me up 😔

I can understand the grief you feel but your daughters behaviour is completely normal for an 18 year old (swearing at family aside).

She's your daughter not your best friend and I don't think it'd be healthy for an 18 year old to want such an intense and suffocating relationship with her mum as what it seems you're wanting to impose on her. She's learning to be an adult and to do this she needs space to learn to navigate relationships outside of the family. It's completely normal for her to want to prioritise friends and boyfriends at this age, in order for her to be a successful adult she needs to be given the space outside of the mother and daughter relationship.

Loving and caring for your daughter should mean allowing her to develop into an adult and giving her the freedom to do so without the guilt tripped alongside with it. Yes it might have been the two of you for ages, but it isn't healthy to have expected this relationship to always be this intense. Relationships grow and change including parent and child. Forcing her to be at home because of the relationship you want to have with her is only going to cause her to resent snd grow apart from you. Telling her you miss her is guilt tripping. Crying and sobbing your eyes out all day is not a normal reaction to a teenager development.

Your daughter will become close to you again but the relationship is not going to be what is is because as your daughter grows she will have others who also take priority in her life, boyfriend, friends in laws etc. If you give her rhe space and freedom to become an independent adult, she'll be grateful for this as she gets older and it'll be reflected in your relationship. If you try and stunt her growth by ensuring she stays at home to be your best friend, it'll only end in misery for both of you.

HowNowBrownCow2 · 09/12/2024 12:30

18 is such a selfish age. They don't care about anyone but themselves at that age and can get so wrapped up in boyfriends/girlfriends that no-one else matters. But it doesn't stay that way, OP. Let her breath and have a relationship with this new BF and just try to stay welcoming when she's home, she'll come back soon enough.

I would tell her though, in a completely civil way that while she's still using the home for showers etc that her washing needs by her and shower cleaned etc otherwise you won't be paying for her phonebill. If she doesn't do it then cut the payment for the phone and simply DO NOT do her washing for her. She'll soon realise how spoiled she is,

DailyDoily · 09/12/2024 12:30

Just seeing a few comments about teens being happier ‘at their dads’. I’m assuming that’s referring to separate parents living apart. I’ve had conversations with my two teens about pretty much exactly this and how when they’re with their dad they go out and do things / theatre / galleries etc, but when I suggest it they aren’t keen. They’re reply to me was that they don’t really have a choice when they’re with him (they live with me and see him every other weekend, either staying at his, or he visits them here and they stay at home). They explained really well that they like downtime and don’t always want to go out - and they can see that time falls with me but they really appreciate / need that downtime.

its taken me a while to come to terms with it - and now I can see that I’m not second best, I’m actually their first choice to behave exactly as they want to and not have to meet expectations, and that makes me really happy. I try to make little memories around domestic stuff (kitchen discos while washing up, cooking together etc) instead.

I do still book nice ‘bigger’ things to do with them - but in advance and with their involvement.

As weird as it sounds - sometimes being the one they feel comfortable ignoring is actually the best privilege and shows the strongest relationship. (And I go and do lovely things with friends if I’m feeling my life is too ‘domestic’)

Fluffyiguana · 09/12/2024 12:33

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 12:25

@Fluffyiguana that's a worry, I do hope that's not what's happening 😔

I'm shocked at all the posters on here who are telling you this is normal.

It's not normal for anyone to spend this much time with a BF they've only just got together with. It wouldn't be normal if she was 28 and it's not normal at 18.

This age range is the most common age group to be in an abusive / unhealthy relationship.

You said somewhere that it seemed like a complete personality change after the boyfriend came in, that was one of the things that made me worry.

But if she's still spending as much time with her dad, friends, schoolwork, hobbies etc. as she used to then that would be a positive thing.

Mirabai · 09/12/2024 12:34

@CentrifugalBumblePuppy

Going to the GP to get further treatment for your anxiety, panic attacks etc., is a very good first step. Hyper fixation on pinning every issue on either the boyfriend or older DD is neither helpful or healthy. As I said at the beginning, your children are not responsible for your mental health. You cannot demand they do X, Y or Z because you’d find it easier to cope with (and what DD is doing is pretty normal for a teenager if I’m honest). What you need to be doing is finding better strategies for dealing with your own mental health, because that will be having a detrimental affect on not only the 18 year old (could it be of Mum’s always on her back or being blamed for everything she doesn’t feel welcome at home?) but on your 3 year old as well.

Really good advice.

Mirabai · 09/12/2024 12:39

Fluffyiguana · 09/12/2024 12:33

I'm shocked at all the posters on here who are telling you this is normal.

It's not normal for anyone to spend this much time with a BF they've only just got together with. It wouldn't be normal if she was 28 and it's not normal at 18.

This age range is the most common age group to be in an abusive / unhealthy relationship.

You said somewhere that it seemed like a complete personality change after the boyfriend came in, that was one of the things that made me worry.

But if she's still spending as much time with her dad, friends, schoolwork, hobbies etc. as she used to then that would be a positive thing.

It’s normal when there’s a needy overemotional mother, a toddler and a step parent. It’s annoying having a toddler around, maybe she doesn’t like her stepdad that much.

I spent most of my time when I was 18 at other people’s houses. My parents were fine but I was 18 so they annoyed me. Other people’s parents annoyed me less. You hang out in houses a teen where the parents give you the least hassle.

It may just be quieter, calmer at bf’s house.

toucheee · 09/12/2024 12:39

I wouldn't tell her to move out, that could cause an irreparable breakdown.

However, it's perfectly reasonable to

  • move her to the smaller bedroom
  • stop paying her phone contract
  • stop doing any laundry or cooking for her
  • stop buying her expensive presents

Re-assess this when she has finished education and has a full time job, at that point she should pay rent (minimum £250pm).

teenmumstress24 · 09/12/2024 12:43

It’s normal when there’s a needy overemotional mother, a toddler and a step parent. It’s annoying having a toddler around

Right, and so I've become "needy and emotional" and her little sister has become "annoying" coincidentally just at the precise moment a new boy is on the scene...? Interesting timing. Pre September ish, DD was a very involved and happy member of the family who spent time here willingly. She brought her mates here, pretty much an open house to them, lovely group of girls, it was just lovely. We all rubbed along just fine. All of them interacting and playing with her little sister, offering to take her out / chatting to me about the latest gossip in their friendship groups, etc etc.

What's changed is the one thing I come back to over and over - the boyfriend.

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