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To feel hurt by MIL's condescending comments

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 13:32

My husband comes from a much wealthier background than I do. His family takes five holidays a year, went to private schools, and bought each kid a large London property when they turned 25. I went to grammar school, had 1–2 holidays a year, and while my parents helped with a deposit, they didn’t buy me a house outright (and yes I am aware that this is actually quite a privileged position, I am by no means poor but just explaining the contrast).

DH works for the family business, which his mum technically owns but doesn’t really run anymore—she’s basically retired, travels a lot, and leaves it to DH and his siblings. His sisters help out part-time when it suits them (since they’re looking after young kids), but DH and his brother run it full-time.

He’s super careful about what he says to his mum—she’s “always right,” and he avoids any conflict with her. Apparently, that’s just how it’s always been. Part of me thinks it’s also because they’re all a bit financially dependent on her. If she ever cut them out of the will or the business, their lifestyle would take a big hit.

I work part-time and take care of our daughters, who are 4 and 1, and I’m pregnant with our son. Even if I worked full-time, what I’d earn wouldn’t compare to what DH makes or receives from his family. He covers all the main expenses, and my salary is just for personal things like clothes, dinners with friends, or trips to the hairdresser. At home, DH is lovely: he’s hands-on with the kids, helps with chores, and is super thoughtful when it’s just us.

The issue is his mum. She makes comments that aren’t directly rude but feel like digs. For example, she buys our daughters designer clothes and says things like, “Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,” while I’m standing there in my Zara jumper.

At a family gathering, when people joked about my daughter becoming a vet because she loves animals, MIL said, “That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.”

She can also be condescending. When she was talking about her travel plans, she mentioned going to a fancy restaurant with my SIL and added, “I suppose you’ve never been there?” When I said I had, she replied, “Oh, who took you there?”

DH doesn’t really address it, saying it’s just how she is, and bringing it up would cause a big falling out. He tells me to rise above it and not take it personally, but honestly, it’s hard not to when the comments feel so pointed.

OP posts:
MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 20:47

LookingforMaryPoppins · 09/12/2024 19:59

Your mil uses money to control her family...... more fool them allowing her to do so.

Why do her daughters get a "generous allowance" whilst her son's work for their salary - do they get a generous allowance in addition to what they earn.

Yeah the boys also get a generous allowance on top of their earnings but for both boys and girls a lot of the "allowance" is in the form of gifts, so being gifted a car or kids' private school paid for. That type of thing. But yes there's also cash.

OP posts:
MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 20:48

Menopausemayhem · 09/12/2024 19:54

And yet your having your third child with him…

With him, yes. Not with his mum.
Because when it's us 2 or us as a family, without MIL, he treats me well and is an excellent dad to the kids

OP posts:
thepariscrimefiles · 09/12/2024 20:48

LoveHearts69 · 09/12/2024 19:23

“Children are with them in business, I sort of ran back and forth to help the kids or they come to me if they want mummy (the plane crew are never happy about this whole arrangement).”

This is wild! What if you were breastfeeding and so needed the baby with you? Surely the cost of one extra ticket so you can all sit together is a drop in the ocean to her? There’s no way I’d agree to sit apart from my very young kids on a flight and your husband should absolutely be standing up for some of these things.

Edited

This blew my mind too, and the fact that once they reach their holiday destination, OP looks after the children all day and her MIL arranges activities during the evening for herself and OP's DH that never include OP as she has to stay and look after the children once they have gone to bed. She is treated like an unpaid member of staff on the plane and on the holiday.

MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 20:50

ThisTeaIsBad · 09/12/2024 19:36

Op, I do believe the only answer to this is to develop your own business until you become independently fantastically wealthy then she'd have no power over you.

Meanwhile your only options are to suck it up or don't, and live with the consequences.

Edited

I'd love to build up my own business but with 3 young kids I'm not sure I'm in a position to, I don't want to miss out on key moments of their childhood by spending day and night building up a business and also, the main reason,... i don't exactly have a great idea for a business, otherwise I'd have already started one.

OP posts:
laraitopbanana · 09/12/2024 20:51

MilitantFawcett · 09/12/2024 20:36

Fair point. Models are renowned for their healthy self-esteem after all.

And good eating habits, also no promiscuity at all.

We do have a responsibility bringing up young girls right 😬

MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 20:53

GreenFritillary · 09/12/2024 18:57

BlackeyedSusan · Yesterday 22:25
Live well within your means and start saving just in case this does not end well.
And tell your DH to do the same, and check your wills. MiL could get worse as she ages. It sounds like an inherently unstable situation which could go lots of ways. You sound as if you are fully aware of all the anomalies, and well pissed off, which will protect your mental health. But the stress of living such a double life must be putting your DH under an unhealthy strain.
Where do you stand if he dies? If he has a bad break down?

His mum made him (and his SIL) write a will to say that all of their assets go to mum in case they die, or in case mum dies with them or before them, then it's split between the siblings and absolutely does not go to the spouse (ie BIL or myself).

Obviously the latest Will is the one that's valid. So days after being made to do this will my husband redid his and it says that it all goes to me, or in the event of my death, to the kids.

OP posts:
thepariscrimefiles · 09/12/2024 20:54

MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 20:48

With him, yes. Not with his mum.
Because when it's us 2 or us as a family, without MIL, he treats me well and is an excellent dad to the kids

If your DH stood up to his mother and said that her treatment of you was unacceptable, would she sack him/disown him? Could he get another job? Wouldn't you all be happier with less money but without his mother's corrosive and toxic influence?

laraitopbanana · 09/12/2024 20:54

MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 20:50

I'd love to build up my own business but with 3 young kids I'm not sure I'm in a position to, I don't want to miss out on key moments of their childhood by spending day and night building up a business and also, the main reason,... i don't exactly have a great idea for a business, otherwise I'd have already started one.

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« Also, I don’t have agreat idea of business. »

You are a legend op!

money or not, boundaries woek for eveeyone especially when you give/take which I think you are btw. Put up one boundary and that will release some steam. Just let her be her. You are doing great mama! Your girls will see the difference.

Good luck op 🌺

Crikeyalmighty · 09/12/2024 20:56

She's a really nasty POS OP , but she's funding the lifestyle so I think personally I could suck it up and think 'sod off you old bag' whilst smiling sweetly - but then I'm able to do that - I know others would struggle . I would make sure my H knew what I thought though and saw her as little as I could get away with -

thepariscrimefiles · 09/12/2024 20:59

MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 20:53

His mum made him (and his SIL) write a will to say that all of their assets go to mum in case they die, or in case mum dies with them or before them, then it's split between the siblings and absolutely does not go to the spouse (ie BIL or myself).

Obviously the latest Will is the one that's valid. So days after being made to do this will my husband redid his and it says that it all goes to me, or in the event of my death, to the kids.

OMG this is crazy. She sounds like a Disney villain! I'm imagining Cruella deVille.

Is it even legal for her to coerce your DH and SIL to write a will in her favour?

Ilovelifeverymuch · 09/12/2024 21:00

MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 20:53

His mum made him (and his SIL) write a will to say that all of their assets go to mum in case they die, or in case mum dies with them or before them, then it's split between the siblings and absolutely does not go to the spouse (ie BIL or myself).

Obviously the latest Will is the one that's valid. So days after being made to do this will my husband redid his and it says that it all goes to me, or in the event of my death, to the kids.

Your MIL made your DH write his will so his money goes to her if he dies, yeah this has got to be fake 😂

If it's not then I really don't know what you want from this thread because you have made it clear that your DH is amazing and it's just MIL yet neither of you want to give up the money and gifts so just put up with it and move on.

Stop wasting people's time here and selectivley responding only to posts that agree MIL is horrible while ignoring posts that call out the role your weak DH is playing.

MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 21:02

@thepariscrimefiles I don't think she coerced him as such. More that she said "have you thought about a will yet? Perhaps you should write one and it makes sense to leave it all to me or siblings" (or that's how I imagine from what I know of their dynamic). It's never any coercion or threats, just that they know the consequences if they refuse to do a will or decide to leave it to a spouse (ie they themselves would be left out of the will)

Although that's just me speculating, I wasn't there for the exchange but I know both of them enough to have an educated guess.

OP posts:
BlondeFool · 09/12/2024 21:06

Yeah right.

carchi · 09/12/2024 21:07

Indulge her while taking as much money and gifts as you can from her knowing that she won't be around forever just play it cool and you will win eventually

Hols2024 · 09/12/2024 21:08

Most of the petty comments I could ignore or avoid her as much as possible. The holidays being required and flights paid for by yourself. I wouldn’t go and would say you are too busy working- Dh cannot take children out of the country without your consent so he’s welcome to go on holiday with his horrible mummy on his own! I understand you are playing the long game, but I am not sure I would be willing to pay to play it like you are for those holidays. Maybe find some small ways that she would struggle to argue against where you are too busy to have to deal with her horribleness!

Lavender14 · 09/12/2024 21:30

It sounds like she's got a very particular view of women op - men are expected to work and provide and women are expected to marry 'well' and present themselves as suitable daughters/daughters in law. Part of me would be tempted to say just laugh her off she'd utterly ridiculous and make sure you do all you can to challenge her nonsense with your dd behind the scenes. But the bit that would worry me is when you're dd is older how that financial manipulation might play out - and the fact your dh isn't really in a position where he feels empowered enough to stand strong against her. I cannot believe he chooses to sit in business class without you. At some point your children will grow up and they'll notice how she treats you and how their daddy allows it. Your dh needs to think very carefully about what he is modeling to your children and how he's allowing your parenting and your role as his wife to be repeatedly undermined. I would guess that since he and the brother run the business together there's a good chance she needs him more than what she would ever let on.

I think realistically there's going to be a level of having to play the game here- but I think it might be a good idea for you and your dh to maybe do some family mediation or counselling together to work out which boundaries are the ones he needs to hold fast on to make this workable long term.

The fact he would have essentially disinherited you and his children is worrying. The fact he actually went along with that put you in an awful position should he have come to harm before being able to make a new will. He's also put you in a position where in the event of his death you'll be faced with her contesting his will because he refused to be direct with her in saying he will not disinherit his wife and children. Those are the core issues that need to be addressed.

Shinyandnew1 · 09/12/2024 21:32

It sounds like she's got a very particular view of women op-men are expected to work and provide and women are expected to marry 'well' and present themselves as suitable daughters/daughters in law.

Except the OP who is expected to work!

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 09/12/2024 21:36

@MumofMiniDivas she sounds absolutely horrendous to be around! did she even think of making provision for the grandchildren? your hubby needs to grow a pair of balls and tell her behaviour is disgusting at the very least. He, along with his brother and sister, have enabled her for years!!!! they must all get together on this. she wont be able to handle the business on her own! pretty sure her husband must be turning in his grave!

LOpportunityCestFuckingEnorme · 09/12/2024 21:37

Out of interest, do you have LPA set up for you and your DH? For health and finance, just in case. If your DH dies before MIL you are going to have to fight her for your home and all the things she thinks should be hers - but you also don't want to have a fight over DH in a hospital bed either.

Does he have a company or private pension? Who is named beneficiary? Her or you? Any life assurance? Again, who is the beneficiary?

LOpportunityCestFuckingEnorme · 09/12/2024 21:38

Also, does your BIL know his wife has disinherited him and their children?

Lavender14 · 09/12/2024 21:38

Shinyandnew1 · 09/12/2024 21:32

It sounds like she's got a very particular view of women op-men are expected to work and provide and women are expected to marry 'well' and present themselves as suitable daughters/daughters in law.

Except the OP who is expected to work!

Yes but my suspicion is that she doesn't see op as being cut of the same cloth so to speak. So the expectations there are maybe different. Highly unfair all around.

Shelby2010 · 09/12/2024 21:59

This is weird beyond imagining. I can see why you keep the peace, but as your children get older it will be very damaging for them to see you treated as a second class citizen.

The sitting on your own in economy is mind boggling. I can’t believe DH hasn’t payed to upgrade you, at least so you can be with the kids. I would refuse to go unless we (you, DH & kids) were sat together, economy would be fine. I’m surprised your 3y old hasn’t already questioned why you were sat somewhere else.

Melancholyflower · 09/12/2024 22:20

Stop wasting people's time here and selectivley responding only to posts that agree MIL is horrible while ignoring posts that call out the role your weak DH is playing.

Yes, I'm also finding it hard to believe that someone would be happy to have a husband that accepted her being treated like a second class citizen, because he is scared of his mummy. If this is real, your husband thinks his mother's money is more important than his wife being treated with respect, and the fact that he can't, or won't, see why it's wrong speaks volumes.

ZippyDoodle · 09/12/2024 22:20

Blimey, why on earth would you sit in economy? Just say no and no to him taking the children on holiday on his own with that old witch.

I would avoid her at all costs. I would also keep the children away from her. I wouldn't even explain. Your DH can organise cards and presents for her if he wants. I imagine any effort you make will be sneered at.

Start banking whatever money you can and get yourself back to work. That woman is controlling you and she's not to be trusted.

Ilovelifeverymuch · 09/12/2024 23:09

MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 21:02

@thepariscrimefiles I don't think she coerced him as such. More that she said "have you thought about a will yet? Perhaps you should write one and it makes sense to leave it all to me or siblings" (or that's how I imagine from what I know of their dynamic). It's never any coercion or threats, just that they know the consequences if they refuse to do a will or decide to leave it to a spouse (ie they themselves would be left out of the will)

Although that's just me speculating, I wasn't there for the exchange but I know both of them enough to have an educated guess.

Reread what you just wrote and tell me how you have any single shred of respect for your "husband" if he exists?

As I said earlier the more you post the less I believe you.

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