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To feel hurt by MIL's condescending comments

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 13:32

My husband comes from a much wealthier background than I do. His family takes five holidays a year, went to private schools, and bought each kid a large London property when they turned 25. I went to grammar school, had 1–2 holidays a year, and while my parents helped with a deposit, they didn’t buy me a house outright (and yes I am aware that this is actually quite a privileged position, I am by no means poor but just explaining the contrast).

DH works for the family business, which his mum technically owns but doesn’t really run anymore—she’s basically retired, travels a lot, and leaves it to DH and his siblings. His sisters help out part-time when it suits them (since they’re looking after young kids), but DH and his brother run it full-time.

He’s super careful about what he says to his mum—she’s “always right,” and he avoids any conflict with her. Apparently, that’s just how it’s always been. Part of me thinks it’s also because they’re all a bit financially dependent on her. If she ever cut them out of the will or the business, their lifestyle would take a big hit.

I work part-time and take care of our daughters, who are 4 and 1, and I’m pregnant with our son. Even if I worked full-time, what I’d earn wouldn’t compare to what DH makes or receives from his family. He covers all the main expenses, and my salary is just for personal things like clothes, dinners with friends, or trips to the hairdresser. At home, DH is lovely: he’s hands-on with the kids, helps with chores, and is super thoughtful when it’s just us.

The issue is his mum. She makes comments that aren’t directly rude but feel like digs. For example, she buys our daughters designer clothes and says things like, “Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,” while I’m standing there in my Zara jumper.

At a family gathering, when people joked about my daughter becoming a vet because she loves animals, MIL said, “That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.”

She can also be condescending. When she was talking about her travel plans, she mentioned going to a fancy restaurant with my SIL and added, “I suppose you’ve never been there?” When I said I had, she replied, “Oh, who took you there?”

DH doesn’t really address it, saying it’s just how she is, and bringing it up would cause a big falling out. He tells me to rise above it and not take it personally, but honestly, it’s hard not to when the comments feel so pointed.

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aliceinthecities · 08/12/2024 22:10

It's not just the financial dependence. Your DH is emotionally dependent on his mother too. That's why she knows so much about you and, as this thread makes clear, the level of control she has of your life is beyond any usual MIL. I can't imagine my MIL knowing anything about my haircuts. Or gifts. Or anything really. They must be talking non-stop, and she must be allowed access to the minutiae of your life. And what's amazing is that you decided to return to work because you didn't want to inconvenience your DH and decided to pick up and act on imagined / or real opinions / demands of MIL. So she completely controls your life. It's not about any comments she might make, it is about full control. I am sorry to say but I would imagine that you must have some trauma yourself to allow yourself to be in this situation and pretend it's normal-ish.

I have a friend who has not separated from her mother. It is also underpinned by financial dependence, although the scale is much much lower than in your case. Her mother and this situation destroyed my friend's marriage. She is still living with her husband but it's all about pretending for their son, and it's all a bit of a shell, because in reality she is married to her mother, and her mother knows everything about her (and her husband, their finances, who buys what, - everything, like in your case). Her husband though is not like you, he is clear that my friend "chose her mother" over him, and it's all very sad. I am also sad for my friend, she is unhappy and has only solitude in front of her, with her aging and raging mother. And she can't do anything about it. The healthy process of separation from the parent has not happened.

Pussycat22 · 08/12/2024 22:20

I think I'm winning when I buy anything from zara! Onlyonekenobenailed it with her observation that money doesn't correlate with intelligence and manners. I would add class to that . Next time she makes nasty remarks, tell her that. It's succinct and may undermine her.

BlackeyedSusan · 08/12/2024 22:25

Live well within your means and start saving just in case this does not end well.

CatNoBag · 09/12/2024 17:43

@MumofMiniDivas - you realise that your children are little sponges soaking all of this up: Mummy isn't good enough to sit up front on the plane, come to the exciting concert, does all the cleaning and running around on holiday etc. I'd be telling your husband either you get equal treatment or he has to deal with his mother's sulks because you're no longer willing to turn up to be treated like paid help.

Nanny1965 · 09/12/2024 18:01

Say nothing. Wave and smile... your children will make their own decisions later. Not a battle that needs fighting now. And of she wants to buy expensive stuff let her. She has a point re setting their self worth unfortunately.
If your in the financial position you say then go to the places she talks about or say no I havent yet. When should we go ?

Enjoy the privilege and allow your children to also.

GreenFritillary · 09/12/2024 18:07

Let it wash over you. Concentrate on supporting older daughter to follow the career she wants, and let Grandma's old-fashioned remarks slide off her, without hurting her by answering back. Then it''ll be easier to do the same for yourself.

tommyhoundmum · 09/12/2024 18:10

It's quite important that your children understand your views when they are old enough to be discriminating

asrl78 · 09/12/2024 18:22

Sounds like you have to deal with a narcissist you are dependant on and cannot escape. Oh dear, one of the worst situations to be in. The only defence against a narcissist is to kick them out of your life, if that is not possible you have no choice but to deal with it. Don't assume any value to her opinions and they cannot emotionally harm you, just do what you can to minimise interaction.

fairytailcat · 09/12/2024 18:31

She sounds awful

But hilarious

How old is she? Hopefully quite old? 😆

Marmut · 09/12/2024 18:33

My dad was like this. Using money and threats of inheritance/will to control us while he was alive. If we yielded and did what he wanted, he would then show his financial support. I hated it and vowed to never bow under anyone's financial control. My freedom worths a lot more than any money can buy.

Now and then, I do complain about the drudgery of balancing work and family. But if I ever feel the need to stop, then I only need to remember the reason why I want to have a complete financial independence in the first place.

If you and your DH are happy to receive the financial benefits, then I guess you need to bear with your MIL behaviours. Personally, I would not tolerate it as life is too short to be spent on accommodating unpleasant and controlling behaviour.

BankMum · 09/12/2024 18:49

CatNoBag · 09/12/2024 17:43

@MumofMiniDivas - you realise that your children are little sponges soaking all of this up: Mummy isn't good enough to sit up front on the plane, come to the exciting concert, does all the cleaning and running around on holiday etc. I'd be telling your husband either you get equal treatment or he has to deal with his mother's sulks because you're no longer willing to turn up to be treated like paid help.

Absolutely this OP, this is awful. Mummy as a second class citizen / not a real part of the family. If nothing else you should put a stop to this type of holiday where you are separated from your husband and children.

GreenFritillary · 09/12/2024 18:57

BlackeyedSusan · Yesterday 22:25
Live well within your means and start saving just in case this does not end well.
And tell your DH to do the same, and check your wills. MiL could get worse as she ages. It sounds like an inherently unstable situation which could go lots of ways. You sound as if you are fully aware of all the anomalies, and well pissed off, which will protect your mental health. But the stress of living such a double life must be putting your DH under an unhealthy strain.
Where do you stand if he dies? If he has a bad break down?

MilitantFawcett · 09/12/2024 19:14

The whole thing about wearing designer to know your worth makes me laugh. Catherine Middleton wears Zara, H&M, M&S, Adidas etc. Michelle Obama famously wore US high street brands. I’m pretty sure both those women have a reasonable sense of their own worth 🤣

laraitopbanana · 09/12/2024 19:19

Hi op,

Honestly, I don’t begrudge her comments for being condescending…she is stating her point of view which I think is more of the problem!

whatever she thinks…if you didn’t invite advice…she needs to keep it for herself🤷🏼‍♀️
And yes, the money situation makes it difficult for any of you to be truthful with her. A bit sad but not the worse I think!

Just avoid her as much as possible?

laraitopbanana · 09/12/2024 19:20

MilitantFawcett · 09/12/2024 19:14

The whole thing about wearing designer to know your worth makes me laugh. Catherine Middleton wears Zara, H&M, M&S, Adidas etc. Michelle Obama famously wore US high street brands. I’m pretty sure both those women have a reasonable sense of their own worth 🤣

But we know that she got lost at some point. Would have that happen wearing Prada?

No women ever gets into any kind of self image issue wearing Prada.

Fact.

LoveHearts69 · 09/12/2024 19:23

“Children are with them in business, I sort of ran back and forth to help the kids or they come to me if they want mummy (the plane crew are never happy about this whole arrangement).”

This is wild! What if you were breastfeeding and so needed the baby with you? Surely the cost of one extra ticket so you can all sit together is a drop in the ocean to her? There’s no way I’d agree to sit apart from my very young kids on a flight and your husband should absolutely be standing up for some of these things.

ThisTeaIsBad · 09/12/2024 19:36

Op, I do believe the only answer to this is to develop your own business until you become independently fantastically wealthy then she'd have no power over you.

Meanwhile your only options are to suck it up or don't, and live with the consequences.

LoveHearts69 · 09/12/2024 19:42

I’m intrigued, what does she get you for your birthday/christmas? Did she contribute towards the wedding or honeymoon/were you allowed to fly business on honeymoon? She sounds absolutely unhinged and mean!

LookingforMaryPoppins · 09/12/2024 19:48

What a vile woman! Sounds to me like she has to buy everyone around her otherwise she would be very much alone.

Your husband's earnings are his - it's nothing to do with her how he spends them. As nice as he may be he really isn't - he shouldn't be allowing you to be treated in this manner - why isn't he paying for you to fly business with the rest of the family.

Your mil is treating you like hired help and your husband is allowing it. He needs to cut the apron strings and stand on his own two feet!

Iamgettingolderandgrumpier · 09/12/2024 19:50

You have your own house, you’re an accountant who can afford to shop in Zara and Sainsbury’s, you have supportive parents…sorry why are you dancing to this obnoxious woman’s tune? And Your DH needs to grow some balls. Maybe I’m a difficult DIL (think my ILs would agree with that but as DH and I are both no contact with them, that was only their viewpoint.) I would say I’m assertive and no walkover. I would refuse to go to her home, on holiday, dress my children in designer stuff, send them to private school etc etc and, if I’m not going anywhere, nor are my children (so put that in your pipe and smoke it!). I would dress my children in Primark/Asda etc just to p*55 her off. You are comfortably off, you’re well qualified, your DH could get a job elsewhere, maybe less money but state schools aren’t that bad. You’ll have a much better/happier life without all this hassle. As someone has already pointed out, this awful woman could live until she’s 100.

Menopausemayhem · 09/12/2024 19:54

And yet your having your third child with him…

LookingforMaryPoppins · 09/12/2024 19:59

Your mil uses money to control her family...... more fool them allowing her to do so.

Why do her daughters get a "generous allowance" whilst her son's work for their salary - do they get a generous allowance in addition to what they earn.

MilitantFawcett · 09/12/2024 20:36

laraitopbanana · 09/12/2024 19:20

But we know that she got lost at some point. Would have that happen wearing Prada?

No women ever gets into any kind of self image issue wearing Prada.

Fact.

Fair point. Models are renowned for their healthy self-esteem after all.

Nikki75 · 09/12/2024 20:44

As your daughters grow and start to take things in .. keep them grounded teach them that the way not to be is like your mil .. ignore her when you feel she baits you she wants a reaction, don't give her what she wants.
Always keep your independence your own friends job etc and keep being you xx

MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 20:45

LoveHearts69 · 09/12/2024 19:42

I’m intrigued, what does she get you for your birthday/christmas? Did she contribute towards the wedding or honeymoon/were you allowed to fly business on honeymoon? She sounds absolutely unhinged and mean!

Yes she fully paid for the wedding (or more like I contributed 10K, my parents also 10K but that's a drop in the ocean as over 100K was spent on the wedding).
Honeymoon was very nice but not as ott as the wedding - we did fly business class (was paid by him but that means indirectly by MIL)

For Xmas or birthdays she has a habit of gifting stuff that she has new with tags but didn't use. For whatever reason she seems to have a lot of brand new with tags scarves so I've been gifted a few of those, high end perfumes, high end make up ...

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