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To feel hurt by MIL's condescending comments

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 13:32

My husband comes from a much wealthier background than I do. His family takes five holidays a year, went to private schools, and bought each kid a large London property when they turned 25. I went to grammar school, had 1–2 holidays a year, and while my parents helped with a deposit, they didn’t buy me a house outright (and yes I am aware that this is actually quite a privileged position, I am by no means poor but just explaining the contrast).

DH works for the family business, which his mum technically owns but doesn’t really run anymore—she’s basically retired, travels a lot, and leaves it to DH and his siblings. His sisters help out part-time when it suits them (since they’re looking after young kids), but DH and his brother run it full-time.

He’s super careful about what he says to his mum—she’s “always right,” and he avoids any conflict with her. Apparently, that’s just how it’s always been. Part of me thinks it’s also because they’re all a bit financially dependent on her. If she ever cut them out of the will or the business, their lifestyle would take a big hit.

I work part-time and take care of our daughters, who are 4 and 1, and I’m pregnant with our son. Even if I worked full-time, what I’d earn wouldn’t compare to what DH makes or receives from his family. He covers all the main expenses, and my salary is just for personal things like clothes, dinners with friends, or trips to the hairdresser. At home, DH is lovely: he’s hands-on with the kids, helps with chores, and is super thoughtful when it’s just us.

The issue is his mum. She makes comments that aren’t directly rude but feel like digs. For example, she buys our daughters designer clothes and says things like, “Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,” while I’m standing there in my Zara jumper.

At a family gathering, when people joked about my daughter becoming a vet because she loves animals, MIL said, “That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.”

She can also be condescending. When she was talking about her travel plans, she mentioned going to a fancy restaurant with my SIL and added, “I suppose you’ve never been there?” When I said I had, she replied, “Oh, who took you there?”

DH doesn’t really address it, saying it’s just how she is, and bringing it up would cause a big falling out. He tells me to rise above it and not take it personally, but honestly, it’s hard not to when the comments feel so pointed.

OP posts:
Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 17:34

Do you go on holiday with your parents, @MumofMiniDivas ?

Do they treat your husband differently?

Brombat · 08/12/2024 17:35

I would give this lots of time.

I have a difficult Mil who looks down on me. She's now pretty old and suffering dementia, wittering on about blood relatives, etc.

Your DH is nice to you, so yeah, I would suck it up and play "putdown" bingo.

It's a shame he's not objective, so he could join in as it does help to have support in these mental situations. But time fixes most things...

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 17:39

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 17:11

Because when I've refused to go it causes a giant argument between DH and I, he is stressed making excuses to his mum. If he was to genuinely say it's me not wanting to go he'd get told that I'm a horrible person driving a wedge between his family and him, and he'd find life harder because all of a sudden MIL wants to see a lot of our kids and him but I'm not invited, it would be awkward and horrible for DH a lot more than for me.

Just say “I can’t afford it” snd mean it. You don’t have to go to be his meat shield and the children’s nanny. Stop. Don’t have an argument. Just say “I can’t afford it. Either pay for me as your fucking equal or I stay home.” Let him experience the consequences of this treatment. You aren’t his emotional support monkey.

pizzaHeart · 08/12/2024 17:45

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:43

@pizzaHeart we had a cleaner for a short while after DD2 was born and, when MIL came over and saw this, she questioned why we have a cleaner when I only work part time. Then DH increasingly started saying that oh we don't need a cleaner, he'd do more to help out. I had a newborn, freshly postpartum and recovering from a not so straightforward birth and a toddler in her very clingy stage. DH did do more to help out. I generally get the vibe that MIL feels I shouldn't get these "luxuries" because I haven't earned them. On the one hand there's comments suggesting my work is an inconvenience - why must we pay for nursery rather than me looking after the children, at the same time I need to pay my way and contribute.

(My job isn't a fun career, I'm an accountant so really not doing it for the enjoyment and it's not a hobby-career)

I haven’t read all your updates before my first comment but now I’ve read them and I’m really cross on your behalf. Your DH is really letting you down here. Your Mil is total bitch and he is not standing up for you.

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 17:47

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 17:39

Just say “I can’t afford it” snd mean it. You don’t have to go to be his meat shield and the children’s nanny. Stop. Don’t have an argument. Just say “I can’t afford it. Either pay for me as your fucking equal or I stay home.” Let him experience the consequences of this treatment. You aren’t his emotional support monkey.

This.

If you were a SAHM, with no income at all, would they expect you not to come on their family holidays as you couldn’t buy your economy plane ticket?

Jellyslothbridge · 08/12/2024 17:53

I think the answer is to minimise time with mil.
I am struggling with the plane situation for holidays. I certainly would leave the children to be cared for by DH.

kinsey681 · 08/12/2024 17:58

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 13:32

My husband comes from a much wealthier background than I do. His family takes five holidays a year, went to private schools, and bought each kid a large London property when they turned 25. I went to grammar school, had 1–2 holidays a year, and while my parents helped with a deposit, they didn’t buy me a house outright (and yes I am aware that this is actually quite a privileged position, I am by no means poor but just explaining the contrast).

DH works for the family business, which his mum technically owns but doesn’t really run anymore—she’s basically retired, travels a lot, and leaves it to DH and his siblings. His sisters help out part-time when it suits them (since they’re looking after young kids), but DH and his brother run it full-time.

He’s super careful about what he says to his mum—she’s “always right,” and he avoids any conflict with her. Apparently, that’s just how it’s always been. Part of me thinks it’s also because they’re all a bit financially dependent on her. If she ever cut them out of the will or the business, their lifestyle would take a big hit.

I work part-time and take care of our daughters, who are 4 and 1, and I’m pregnant with our son. Even if I worked full-time, what I’d earn wouldn’t compare to what DH makes or receives from his family. He covers all the main expenses, and my salary is just for personal things like clothes, dinners with friends, or trips to the hairdresser. At home, DH is lovely: he’s hands-on with the kids, helps with chores, and is super thoughtful when it’s just us.

The issue is his mum. She makes comments that aren’t directly rude but feel like digs. For example, she buys our daughters designer clothes and says things like, “Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,” while I’m standing there in my Zara jumper.

At a family gathering, when people joked about my daughter becoming a vet because she loves animals, MIL said, “That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.”

She can also be condescending. When she was talking about her travel plans, she mentioned going to a fancy restaurant with my SIL and added, “I suppose you’ve never been there?” When I said I had, she replied, “Oh, who took you there?”

DH doesn’t really address it, saying it’s just how she is, and bringing it up would cause a big falling out. He tells me to rise above it and not take it personally, but honestly, it’s hard not to when the comments feel so pointed.

My DH's mum was never a fan of me. We just never visited much and we didn't lived nearby anyway. I'd say try to distance yourself if you can. Your daughters can visit her but you don't have to.

She just sounds like a typical MIL. Ask DH to put her in her place, what's he afraid of? Other than the will....

pizzaHeart · 08/12/2024 18:00

Jellyslothbridge · 08/12/2024 17:53

I think the answer is to minimise time with mil.
I am struggling with the plane situation for holidays. I certainly would leave the children to be cared for by DH.

I would leave DH and not just for the holiday but forever.

Ggmores · 08/12/2024 18:01

Just say ‘OK’ with a smile! Whenever she says anything, ‘I think women shouldn’t work and wear pretty dresses all the time’ - OK! Then ignore or change the subject.

allthatfalafel · 08/12/2024 18:05

I'm in a similar situation but actually I look down on her because she didn't start the business and she couldn't have grown it, she just swanned in after everyone else had done the hard work and was effectively a very overpaid employee doing average employee work, just had a lot more of a say and influence. And now her kids are doing all the tasks and parts of running a business she could never have managed. So I just nod and smile, because yes she's played a good game but she's not actually earned it the way other people have had to, and she's obviously insecure underneath.

WaylandNewt · 08/12/2024 18:15

ll be honest i wish i could retire now, especially after being shafted by current/previous employer

XWKD · 08/12/2024 18:17

Her level of snobbery sounds like she's trying to cover up something. Is she from a well-off background? Is she trying to compensate because she feels her own background is "inferior"?

AndThereSheGoes · 08/12/2024 18:31

Clearly she's not a nice person. Jealous her son loves you and is putting you in your place?

However you get what you settle for. Your DH has enough money and you both have enough material stuff ( including homes) to not work for the family. He could find his own job and support his new family.
The fact he chooses not to says a lot.

aloris · 08/12/2024 18:32

When people have written here to say how awful they think is your treatment by your MIL, and that it's shocking your husband allows it, you seem to be kind of shrugging your shoulders and implying it's a little unpleasant but not a very big deal to you. But at the same time, YOU are the one who started this thread because you are unhappy enough about the way your MIL treats you, that you want it to change. Your MIL's condescension is making your life unhappy, otherwise you wouldn't have started this thread.

Given this, I think you are really downplaying your husband's role in this situation. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to control his personal spending from his own salary, so that he can't even buy his wife a nice gift (I mean, WTF?????!?!) . HE is the one who is choosing not to stand up for you. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to make his wife unhappy by saying frankly very rude things to/about his wife in his presence. HE is the one who flies business class and leaves his wife in economy. HE is the one who expects his wife to spend her vacations pretending to be a lesser person. HE allows his wife to be treated like a lesser person IN FRONT OF HER OWN CHILDREN. (I would find that last one unforgiveable but that's just me).

Life is short. While your narcissistic MIL is stroking her own ego, you are unhappy. Your husband is making his wife's years unhappy because he is too much of a coward to stand up to his mother, or because he likes his fancy lifestyle more than he loves his wife, or for some other reason.

Your husband's behavior nauseates me.

dapsnotplimsolls · 08/12/2024 18:38

So, your husband prefers the financial benefits to your happiness? Got it.

BlastedPimples · 08/12/2024 18:39

So if you marry and you earn less or more than your spouse, you need to live your life according to exactly what you yourself earn?

Nothing more nothing less.

And if you divorce, you simply continue living exactly as you earned. Nothing more nothing less.

Is that it?

Anything else just earns contempt as a 'gold digger" or 'work shy' or some other derogatory remark?

So know your place, op.

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 18:43

I think you are really downplaying your husband's role in this situation. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to control his personal spending from his own salary, so that he can't even buy his wife a nice gift (I mean, WTF?????!?!) . HE is the one who is choosing not to stand up for you. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to make his wife unhappy by saying frankly very rude things to/about his wife in his presence. HE is the one who flies business class and leaves his wife in economy. HE is the one who expects his wife to spend her vacations pretending to be a lesser person. HE allows his wife to be treated like a lesser person IN FRONT OF HER OWN CHILDREN

This-I am amazed you ever want to have sex with this man-he doesn’t respect you at all.

NC10125 · 08/12/2024 18:49

Have you tried affectionately treating her like she’s amusingly eccentric?

You don’t think women should work? I don’t believe you for a second mil, you’re the first female ceo in our family, you’re literally the poster girl for women working.
Don’t say for one second that you didn’t contribute to the business. Remember I’ve known you for x years I don’t believe for a second that you did a bad job of running the company.
You can say all you like that you only worked for the business for a few months but I for one don’t believe that that women’s labour should be ignored. There is no way that batshittowers would be so successful if you hadn’t been in the background looking after the kids’

”You don’t think women should get messy? Didn’t you have a pony when you were dd’s age? Pretty sure you spent an entire decade shovelling shit mil’

”You only buy brands for the kids? I’d never noticed. Always thought that you just had cute taste! I never look at brands really- I just always buy second hand so that we don’t waste too much of the worlds resources “

Wont solve the problem or improve your relationship,, but it will hugely amuse you!

serendipitea · 08/12/2024 18:52

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 18:43

I think you are really downplaying your husband's role in this situation. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to control his personal spending from his own salary, so that he can't even buy his wife a nice gift (I mean, WTF?????!?!) . HE is the one who is choosing not to stand up for you. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to make his wife unhappy by saying frankly very rude things to/about his wife in his presence. HE is the one who flies business class and leaves his wife in economy. HE is the one who expects his wife to spend her vacations pretending to be a lesser person. HE allows his wife to be treated like a lesser person IN FRONT OF HER OWN CHILDREN

This-I am amazed you ever want to have sex with this man-he doesn’t respect you at all.

He can certainly change his and the kid's tickets to sit with you - what a great lesson that would be for the kids, that it is more important to be a supportive family than sell yourself for a first class seat.

MrRobinsonsQuango · 08/12/2024 19:00

NoSquirrels · 08/12/2024 17:21

Anyway, OP, to answer your thread title: No, of course YANBU to be hurt by your MIL’s condescending comments.

But it seems there’s fuck all point to being hurt as she’s made it crystal clear what she thinks of you and any others she doesn’t like, so why do you care for her opinion anyway?

(And the answer to that is, you DGAF about your MIL’s opinion but you’re really understandably extremely deeply hurt by your husband’s complicity in treating you this way.)

This.

Plus your husband needs to grow a spine

I bet your MIL is also annoyed you are financially independent of her. So you don’t dance to her tune like everyone else. At least you have a profession unlike everyone else

Ilovelifeverymuch · 08/12/2024 19:00

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 18:43

I think you are really downplaying your husband's role in this situation. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to control his personal spending from his own salary, so that he can't even buy his wife a nice gift (I mean, WTF?????!?!) . HE is the one who is choosing not to stand up for you. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to make his wife unhappy by saying frankly very rude things to/about his wife in his presence. HE is the one who flies business class and leaves his wife in economy. HE is the one who expects his wife to spend her vacations pretending to be a lesser person. HE allows his wife to be treated like a lesser person IN FRONT OF HER OWN CHILDREN

This-I am amazed you ever want to have sex with this man-he doesn’t respect you at all.

But he's amazing, it's just because of his mother .... OP is in denial and don't want to face up to the truth for whatever reason.

missod · 08/12/2024 19:03

Servants who are there to 'nanny' the children don't buy their own tickets.

I don't want to be unkind, but a bit of self respect wouldn't go amiss OP.

another1bitestheduck · 08/12/2024 20:40

agree with several others - your MIL sounds like an absolute cow, but your real problem is with your DH. But tbh sounds like you're too enmeshed with the lifestyle to do anything about that, so carry on moaning about her if it makes you feel better.

Carriemac · 08/12/2024 20:45

Under no circumstances would I sit in economy whilst my husband was in business, and more importantly DH would never never even contemplate such an arrangement he needs to get a grip

ThatTealViewer · 08/12/2024 22:02

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:46

@ThatTealViewer she has some well off friends but she considers them not THAT well off, because her scale of being well off is quite rare. And also... maybe it's just my opinion... I think people aren't "friends" with her unless they need something from her because she isn't exactly nice to be around and looks down on everyone.

Unless you’ve married into the Hinduja or Ratcliffe family, or similar, they’re not so well off that they don’t have peers. Wealthy people generally have (often equally wealthy) friends. If your MIL doesn’t, it’s because she’s an arsehole and similarly wealthy people look down on her.

Something to bear in mind.