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XL bully shot

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louisbalfournice · 07/12/2024 19:40

Local XL bully shot today. The owner is saying on social media that the dog was harmless but I've seen it go for a a small child before. Why are these dogs 'harmless" until they injure or kill

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OakTree16 · 07/12/2024 20:25

ScorpioRising83 · 07/12/2024 20:21

Not kill, but injure. Could do more harm to a kid. Showing much aggression. I've met more terriers I believed would attack than bullys. Probably because nobody bothers to train small dogs.

Not to say I've not met some bullys who I was scared would attack, they belonged to roadmen who eventually got nicked and the dogs removed. They all knew each other and one bred his bully. They trained them to attack in their defence and to hunt wildlife.

I don't think it's possible to breed a dog to be aggressive, just as you don't breed a dog to herd sheep or sniff out cocaine or lead blind people. You can breed them to be trainable for these things, but the way they're handled is more important.

What? Or do you mean that certain breeds of dogs are selected for these roles because of their genetic disposition and innate qualities?
just like XL bully has aggression in its genes.

OakTree16 · 07/12/2024 20:26

Winter2020 · 07/12/2024 20:19

Yes these dogs are not allowed to be rehomed.

Yes I think I will.

TheThreeCheesesOfTheApocalypse44 · 07/12/2024 20:26

Hate the bloody things. Theyre obviously wired wrong.......one of the funniest thing I've ever seen was an XL muzzled up (( owner did at least one thing right )) and some sketchy looking bloke struck up a conversation with the owner about how awful the ban was, it's the owners blah blah usual bollocks and the damn thing went for him snarling and trying to rip its muzzle off. He lock himself in a car to escape 🤣🤣🤣

I mean we've had issues with dogs before, I remember Rotweillers and Alsations from years ago. But not to this extent.

BrotherViolence · 07/12/2024 20:28

ScorpioRising83 · 07/12/2024 20:11

No pets that could kill an adult? So no mastiffs then? No German shepherds? Rottweilers?

Apparently they have more pet tigers in Texas than in all the zoos in all the world. I learned that recently but I've never seen any pearl clutching about it.

100% yes, you've got it. I don't understand why it's so normalised to own these animals. A lot of them also need inordinate amounts of exercise and stimulation. All my friends' GSD type dogs - and smaller dogs like Collies, for that matter - are so neurotic they have to be medicated for anxiety. They're working animals, not pets. Owning a violent GSD has completely taken over and it seems ruined one friend's life. She's tried everything, all the psychology, all the high viz vests. The dog is still dangerous and her neighbours are scared of it.

I know this is an unpopular opinion but I really don't know what a lot of the rest of our society is smoking.

I've also owned and loved dogs in the past FWIW.

And having said the above, these bully breeds are much more unhinged and dangerous than the average large, aggressive dog. It's a whole new level of fucked that they've even been created.

Winter2020 · 07/12/2024 20:29

ScorpioRising83 · 07/12/2024 20:21

Not kill, but injure. Could do more harm to a kid. Showing much aggression. I've met more terriers I believed would attack than bullys. Probably because nobody bothers to train small dogs.

Not to say I've not met some bullys who I was scared would attack, they belonged to roadmen who eventually got nicked and the dogs removed. They all knew each other and one bred his bully. They trained them to attack in their defence and to hunt wildlife.

I don't think it's possible to breed a dog to be aggressive, just as you don't breed a dog to herd sheep or sniff out cocaine or lead blind people. You can breed them to be trainable for these things, but the way they're handled is more important.

A terrier cannot do more harm to a kid than an XL Bully. That is such extreme nonsense that I can only assume you are on the wind up.

Have a look at the breeds of fatal dog attacks in the UK in recent years. The list is hardly bursting with terriers and there are plenty of XL Bullies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

Oh yes “not kill, injure” well you worry about the people that need a tetanus for their puncture wound or scratch and I (and the rest of the sane people) will worry about the people torn to pieces.

List of fatal dog attacks in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

SueFielding · 07/12/2024 20:29

Should go after the people who keep on buying them.

MintTwirl · 07/12/2024 20:29

I won’t pretend I’m sad to hear this.
These dogs are horrible, it’s the breed AND the owner that are the issue. Pretty much every single XL bully owner I have come across are the same kind of people people. I am so fed up of those who try to make excuses for these dogs. The amount.of attacks is so high that it isn’t even a shock anymore and that is just the ones we hear about, we all know that there are plenty of attacks on other dogs/cats etc that goes largely unreported. The ban that came into place is useless because of course so many of the owners of these dogs don’t bother themselves to obey the law.

XenoBitch · 07/12/2024 20:29

If it was shot, then it was not going for a nice walk in the park with it's owner... it will have been an immediate danger to someone - probably already attacked.
Shooting is an absolute last resort, as is even sending armed police to start with.
A horrible situation all round.

Whaleandsnail6 · 07/12/2024 20:30

Sophiasguitar · 07/12/2024 20:25

Your story just adds weight to it being the owners rather than the dogs that are the problem. Dog panicked, escaped and lost its muzzle. Owners said it was a lovely dog. Turns out it was.

See,it made me even more wary. Because I do believe these dogs "just turn" and their owners believe they are lovely family pets until they suddenly snap and attack.

I dont think that about any other breed. I think these dogs are damaged and cant be trusted. I feel that not all will turn, but you dont know which ones will and which wont and that is what makes them dangerous.

TrippTover · 07/12/2024 20:30

louisbalfournice · 07/12/2024 19:46

Armed police. It bit someone

Oh! Well that’s good then. What’s your AIBU?

Patienceinshortsupply · 07/12/2024 20:35

It's easily found on FB. Apparently it was a "support dog".

I have no words.

ScorpioRising83 · 07/12/2024 20:38

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On the contrary, reality is more nuanced than the rags would have you believe.

Explain why rottweilers are no longer regularly.making the news like they were 30 years ago? Is that because the breed has changed or because they've fallen out of favour with dickhead owners?

Donttellempike · 07/12/2024 20:40

ScorpioRising83 · 07/12/2024 19:58

I've met tiny terriers that have scared me more than most of the XL bullies I've met.

It's not the breed it's the owners. XLBs are popular with roadmen for defensive purposes.

Not an XL, but the best dogs I've ever met were staffies.

What utter drivel. It’s the dogs obviously. Bred to rip your arm off . Join the real world

Ladamesansmerci · 07/12/2024 20:41

ScorpioRising83 · 07/12/2024 19:58

I've met tiny terriers that have scared me more than most of the XL bullies I've met.

It's not the breed it's the owners. XLBs are popular with roadmen for defensive purposes.

Not an XL, but the best dogs I've ever met were staffies.

It is the breed. No one denies the nature of a retriever or a border collie. Even puppies show
certain behaviours. These dogs are bred to fight. It's in their DNA.

I feel sorry for these dogs, who have been created by us. We ought to be ashamed enough to let this breed die out.

SueFielding · 07/12/2024 20:41

Where's the story it was a support dog???

Donttellempike · 07/12/2024 20:42

CoffeeGood · 07/12/2024 20:09

I disagree, it looks like a sweet pupster, it has lovely colouring and it is absolutely NOT its fault it has been bred the way it has and has no choice in the way it acts due to its breeding. HUMANS are to blame as to why it is wired to react so badly.

Having said that, I don't think this breed should exist and I sadly do think they should all be euthanised because they are very unpredictable and are so large that they can kill without thought, even if an individual seems lovely.

yes so sweet😬😬😬😬😬😬

Meanwhile, back in the real world

ScorpioRising83 · 07/12/2024 20:42

Winter2020 · 07/12/2024 20:29

A terrier cannot do more harm to a kid than an XL Bully. That is such extreme nonsense that I can only assume you are on the wind up.

Have a look at the breeds of fatal dog attacks in the UK in recent years. The list is hardly bursting with terriers and there are plenty of XL Bullies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

Oh yes “not kill, injure” well you worry about the people that need a tetanus for their puncture wound or scratch and I (and the rest of the sane people) will worry about the people torn to pieces.

Yeh Wikipedia a totally reliable source, as is the daily mail.

Any large breed can kill.

Certain breeds become popular with people who misuse them. Those breeds change over time. There have always been XL bullies but it's only in recent years they've become popular with the kinds of people who shouldn't keep any dog.

The people are the bigger problem.

EverybodyHatesWasps · 07/12/2024 20:43

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MILLYmo0se · 07/12/2024 20:45

ScorpioRising83 · 07/12/2024 19:58

I've met tiny terriers that have scared me more than most of the XL bullies I've met.

It's not the breed it's the owners. XLBs are popular with roadmen for defensive purposes.

Not an XL, but the best dogs I've ever met were staffies.

I don't understand what you mean. A terrier can give a painful bite but are you doing to die? If they are in attack mode they can be beaten off and detached from you, an XL can't be deterred or gotten off you til it's done with you. They are so inbred they are demented, what are the stats, something like 50% of the XLs in the UK are descended from Kimba himself bred from a brother and sister I think. Even if they are owned by responsible owners (I don't think many would have an XL though) that's exercises them throughly every single day, keeps them away from kids etc it just takes a moment for them to snap because of their mental fragility, and that fragility combined with the strength and size of them is the danger. A bad owner worsens the situation but I don't think any of them can ever be trusted even a tenth of the level to which you d trust a terrier

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Donttellempike · 07/12/2024 20:46

NeverDropYourMooncup · 07/12/2024 20:10

If the owner was going to be prosecuted for anything relating to it, you've just ensured they can't be guaranteed a fair trial, as any jury member could have seen the photo and read your claims.

Well done.

Sub Judice rules dont apply until after charge. So that’s nonsense

Slooodie359 · 07/12/2024 20:46

louisbalfournice · 07/12/2024 19:56

Photo

Seriously posted photo of dog with a BONER?

NarnianQueen · 07/12/2024 20:47

If it was the owners not the breed, there would be attacks all the time from all dogs across the board, because you'd statistically get bad owners who had Dalmatians and spaniels and Jack Russells.

But it's always XL bullies. Why's that then?

MILLYmo0se · 07/12/2024 20:47

ScorpioRising83 · 07/12/2024 20:42

Yeh Wikipedia a totally reliable source, as is the daily mail.

Any large breed can kill.

Certain breeds become popular with people who misuse them. Those breeds change over time. There have always been XL bullies but it's only in recent years they've become popular with the kinds of people who shouldn't keep any dog.

The people are the bigger problem.

Have XLs been in the UK that long, I'd thought its only been the last decade or so, the breed only began in the 90s

Ladamesansmerci · 07/12/2024 20:48

Dibbydoos · 07/12/2024 20:12

How can you possibly think it's a dogs breed? It's a human problem @ACynicalDad The owners can't train them or train them inappropriately because they're AHs. Many XL bullies are great family dogs because their owners have trained them!

Really fed up it's an issue about a dog when it's their fg owners that should be jailed and banned from owning any pets.

@louisbalfournice I hadn't picked up the news, it's sad but I doubt the dog could be retrained to stop attacking, which it's most likely done because it was triggered by fear or anxiety. The owner who's claiming it was harmless is an AH and should be prosecuted.

It is the breed. No one denies that German Shepherd dogs make good police dogs, that some dogs are best for hunting, some for herding.

There are breed specific traits. These dogs are bred for aggression. They are unpredictable. Everyone of these attacks where children die, you have someone saying 'it came out nowhere, he's never bitten before'. Many dogs are anxious and manage not to mail others.

I feel for XL bullies, who are the result of human cruelty, but the breed needs to be allowed to die out.