Hoping that Greg Wallace is forgiven, rather than cancelled

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Just a few concerns about this whole GW thing. Caveat: I do not condone behaviour that is illegal.

1. It does kind of look like a whole bunch of privileged TV luvvies are clamouring to denounce someone with really quite humble roots. I grew up in London and am constantly paranoid about how I come across to my mainly middle class colleagues. The thing is, middle class and privileged people operate by a set of unwritten rules. It’s like a full time job in itself trying to emulate their way of interacting, lest you be called out for not being ‘nice’ enough or doing something odd to them, like forgetting to start an email with ‘Hope you are well?’. Only, they won’t let you know to your face that you’ve accidentally been too sharp or direct, or maybe that your joke wasn’t woke enough - no, that stuff just goes straight to HR.
2. The equality act 2010 makes it the employer’s responsibility to prevent sexual harassment in the workplace. Why wasn’t all this lewd stuff dealt with? GW said that no one had made a formal complaint. Again, it makes me wonder whether the middle class luvvies just didn’t want to call things out at the time because it’s ‘beneath’ them to even consider doing something about it.
3. Even though he’s apologised, the public doesn’t think that’s good enough. It’s like only perfect people get to keep their careers. Woe betide you if you said something crass on twitter 10 years ago, or got caught speeding or something.

Of course, lots of you would want to shout me down over this, but you know what? We’re all mums here and many of us have sons. Boys and young men do and say crass things. GW hasn’t raped or systematically abused anyone. It doesn’t make what’s happened right, but I also don’t think it’s right that swarms of pitch-fork waving strangers get to play judge, jury and executioner. I’m a big fan of forgiveness. Am I the only one?

The fact that OP posted once and never came back makes it look like it was written as bait for a tabloid article

I don't actually think that's true.

There were page about Brand for days..

They went a lot like 'hes done nothing, and if he has it wasn't that bad, and if it was that bad then why didn't they report it and if it happened they deserved it away because they were slags'.

There may be something of similar thread to this thread..

And there was a full 78 mins minute long TV exposure of Brand! We are yet to be subjected to that joy, complete with multiple topless turns of a bodtastic 60 year old showing his guns (bleuurr).

More to the point Brand wasn't dumb enough to say "shut up middle aged women you menopausal unreasonable snowflakes" for the whole world to see.

And he does frilly word salad hour long self pitying monologues on paid subscription instead.

And he does frilly word salad hour long self pitying monologues on paid subscription instead.

And people still buy into it 🤦🤦🤦

If the BBC were trying to prove how dumb they are they'd pick Coren as Wallace's replacement.

Quite literally. They buy it.

I mean I wouldn't put it past them but it would surely sound the death knell for MC.

Giles is well connected and works well with Monica visiting stupid obscene hotels that cost a small house in the north for a night.

He wouldn’t do it. He said he’s never been so relieved not to be offered a job.

It won't be Giles. He's been slowly edged out of the BBC, they don't want him back.

Grace Dent would be brilliant at it.

The most common sense approach would be to just replace him with John Torode on MC the professionals, and then maybe someone like Grace Dent for the none professionals one. And then dump the celebrity one - it’s a waste of time having celebs on, most of whom can’t cook and who are just there for the air time.

She would. I love the episodes with her as a guest.

I do not condone behaviour that is illegal.
it doesn’t have to be illegal behaviour to be bad behaviour

a whole bunch of privileged TV luvvies

you sound as bad as him here. Their age and class is irrelevant if they’ve been treated badly. Also it’s often women of a certain age and social status who are the ones secure enough to call this out as they have less to lose than younger, less experienced, more financially insecure women who may worry about losing a job if they say something.

The equality act 2010 makes it the employer’s responsibility to prevent sexual harassment in the workplace. Why wasn’t all this lewd stuff dealt with? GW said that no one had made a formal complaint.
yes the bbc/production company should have dealt with it but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t in the wrong just because he never got pulled up on it

Woe betide you if you said something crass on twitter 10 years ago, or got caught speeding or something.
These singular instances of behaviour are not comparable to a series of multiple instances of inappropriate behaviour over many years

We’re all mums here and many of us have sons. Boys and young men do and say crass things.
No, many boys and men don’t, especially if we bring them up not to. It’s within their control. Also, this didn’t happen when he was young and naive.

GW hasn’t raped or systematically abused anyone.
It doesn’t have to be rape or systematic abuse to be awful behaviour.

Anyone else to testify to this. In that office?

I just read this about his alleged treatment of a BSL interpreter. Vile.

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/dec/03/gregg-wallace-accused-of-asking-bsl-translator-to-sign-big-boobs-sexy-bum

You seem to be having a conversation with yourself?

sorry. I know it’s off topic. This just reminded me of it. Bad memories in the workplace!

There are clauses in BBC contracts for any on-screen person regarding their behavior. I know because I was originally one of the people who wrote the wording for them. I can't believe that nearly 20 yrs later this hasn't been upheld. It's disgusting, actually. Bigger world legalities aside, it is intimidating and inappropriate behavior.

I knew someone over 15 years' ago who worked at the Grocer magazine and told me GW was a well known sleaze all the way back then

Agree OP.

The media’s response has been completely ridiculous and hysterical. He’s actually on the front page of a few newspapers. It is if he murdered someone! All he did was make a few risqué comments, boo-hoo to all these celebrity women go completely bonkers about it. It’s pathetic. And also a bit frightening - that people have become so completely intolerant that they witch hunt to destroy peoples careers over this trivial nonsense.

The way people are so quick to pour hate on someone and ruin their lives is very upsetting to me.

The way that women still can't go into the work place without having sexual comments aimed at them, being groped, flashed at or worse is very upsetting to me.

he's had the chance to apologise. his apology is worded in a very empty way. he's not sorry

I’ve not read the full thread and considering the OP dropped a bomb and ran why should I? But this shitty attitude of ‘aw bless he didn’t rape anyone’ is why society is how it is.
My daughter deals with sexist language every day, boys pushing boundaries of what is acceptable social
conversations, discussing the porn they watch in front of everyone etc. and I tell
her to report report report because it’s not acceptable in the workplace so it’s not acceptable in school. And here’s some dullard defending the shit.
women and girls deserve more. Every day we deserve more than men give us because we deserve the equality and it’s not what we get.
To add, whenever my daughter reports shitty behaviour the ‘your word against theirs’ always reads its head so nothing is done.

I’ve got sons and they think GW is a knob and no they don’t say crass things to women.

if JSP found him overbearing, and she's one tough woman, then he's obviously WAY too much.

Yes I was getting ready to start googling all that. I don't know if I'm disappointed or relieved.