Hoping that Greg Wallace is forgiven, rather than cancelled

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Just a few concerns about this whole GW thing. Caveat: I do not condone behaviour that is illegal.

1. It does kind of look like a whole bunch of privileged TV luvvies are clamouring to denounce someone with really quite humble roots. I grew up in London and am constantly paranoid about how I come across to my mainly middle class colleagues. The thing is, middle class and privileged people operate by a set of unwritten rules. It’s like a full time job in itself trying to emulate their way of interacting, lest you be called out for not being ‘nice’ enough or doing something odd to them, like forgetting to start an email with ‘Hope you are well?’. Only, they won’t let you know to your face that you’ve accidentally been too sharp or direct, or maybe that your joke wasn’t woke enough - no, that stuff just goes straight to HR.
2. The equality act 2010 makes it the employer’s responsibility to prevent sexual harassment in the workplace. Why wasn’t all this lewd stuff dealt with? GW said that no one had made a formal complaint. Again, it makes me wonder whether the middle class luvvies just didn’t want to call things out at the time because it’s ‘beneath’ them to even consider doing something about it.
3. Even though he’s apologised, the public doesn’t think that’s good enough. It’s like only perfect people get to keep their careers. Woe betide you if you said something crass on twitter 10 years ago, or got caught speeding or something.

Of course, lots of you would want to shout me down over this, but you know what? We’re all mums here and many of us have sons. Boys and young men do and say crass things. GW hasn’t raped or systematically abused anyone. It doesn’t make what’s happened right, but I also don’t think it’s right that swarms of pitch-fork waving strangers get to play judge, jury and executioner. I’m a big fan of forgiveness. Am I the only one?

If the 'rubbing' incident is true, yes he has sexually assaulted someone.

@Potato1234 glad you clarified...thought you meant there was more to the incidents that had been reported and you were trying to minimise it.

But he did it over and over again and was spoken to in 2018 but he carried on.

I can't forgive that even if he is from a disadvantaged background.

It really isn't difficult to not talk about sex at work unless you have a mental illness like Turretts, which I don't think he has.

@DetestTheClockChange he is employed by other production companies

It is depressing but also unsurprising and as you describe, the patterns don't seem to change even years later.

I can't believe they were all huge fans of Wallace/Brand/Saville so it feels like a lot of playing it down because "it's just bants" is posters taking the chance to take a swipe other women and their suffering just for the sake of it.

So demoralising and pretty scary that some of them are raising a generation of males.

One groping incident was reported by a third party. If the victim confirms, that could get interesting.

It's also worth remembering how cameras were present and rolling in many of these incidents. So the original takes will be in an archive somewhere and can be reviewed.

my dad was working class. There is absolutely no way that he would behave like this around women. If he’d seen the behaviour he would have punched greg’s lights out. (he once went to sort out a bunch of teenage lads for picking on an old lady on our street.)

Unsure why you’re sending an embarrassed face! He always came across as a funny and kind guy on eat well for less. Point of my post is that he’s clearly not and it’s upsetting

@AlexP24 You must be joking?

Are you really telling me there's a difference between child sexual abuse and sexual abuse of an adult ?

Because the effects are the same in terms of trauma. Let's not be silly here.

After all, using the logic of some people on here, why didn't that 8 year old Gregg tell someone about the abuse and get it stopped? Why come forward about it at all as an adult ? I mean, he should just have got over it, right?!!

A survivor of abuse is a survivor abuse. It's outrageous that any child or adult has to suffer that horrific trauma. Maybe read about PTSD, and the way abuse at any age can cause you to feel unsafe and lose a sense of self.

Please don't minimise it just because the survivors are middle class adults. The effects are the same.

@Eurosidney there's a big difference between brushing past and rubbing FFS

I think you might be Greg!!
my mother was an immigrant and we were so poor growing up if there was not enough food that day she would not eat. No airs and graces in our family!!
but you seriously need educating if you really think this “Boys and young men do and say crass things.” Only boys and men that don’t know better or know better and choose to act like pigs.

He made those disgusting jokes and comments to women of all classes it just that the ones who had the power to complain were the middle aged middle class women. Do you think the young runner on a temporary contract struggling to pay her rent is going to take on the biggest star?he had power and abused it

Oh sorry the Ulrika one was raised with others at the time. That also needs to go on the list.

Ulrika Jonsson also alleged that Wallace had to apologise for making a rape joke during the filming of an episode of Celebrity MasterChef in 2017.
The Swedish-born TV presenter said a fellow contestant complained about the alleged remark, and the issue was raised with the on-set management staff, according to the Daily Telegraph. Wallace later apologised with “tears in his eyes”, the paper reported. The incident was not reported to Banijay.

@PissedOffAtApologistsForSA Please don't minimise it just because the survivors are middle class adults.

But they're just women. And we all know they don't really count.

I am saddened at the low expectations that some have of working class boys and men.

I really hope you don't have sons or nephews. WC men are not barnyard beasts that can't control their urges.

GW being a predator has nowt to do with his working class roots. Indeed he would get a kicking from many of the rightfully disgusted WC men (who are worth ten of the git) in the poor urban area in which I live.

You really don't get a thing about the effect of incidents like this, do you?

It's not just the single incident, though it's certainly unpleasant and intrusive in the moment to feel someone unwanted rubbing up against your personal areas. It's that for the next however many months or years the person who was subject to the incident is on high alert and feels vulnerable around him.

She may feel anxious about whether she did anything to lead him to feel what he did was welcome and start to withdraw and become hypervigilant about what she says. Worry about whether he will make further moves and whether her job will be at risk if she rejects him. Is always managing her whereabouts to avoid being in physical proximity to him or alone in a room with him. She can no longer feel relaxed and safe in her workplace, where she spends many hours a week. The effects of the incident last long after the incident and no, I don't think she would forget that in a hurry.

okay, I was wrong. he DID sexually assault people. I hadn't read the physical stuff. either way, the sleazebag shows no remorse, and that's a problem

I come from a working class family and hell would freeze over before my dad said something like 'is it a present for my cock?' to absolutely anyone.

It would almost be too good to be true.

However if it did happen, it sounds like it happened in front of multiple witnesses.

The Telegraph reported that Wallace mimicked a sex act with a former member of the production team, having spoken to someone who claims to have witnessed the alleged incident. The presenter is said to have held the head of the staff member and thrust his body towards her when she was knelt down in front of him to clean a mark off his trousers.

Wallace is also said to have once walked into the MasterChef studio “completely naked except for [a] sock pulled over his penis” before doing a “silly dance”. The complaint also claims that he was “very touchy feely” and made “disgusting sex-related jokes”.

Article that refers to the original Telegraph one is here (Telegraph is paywalled).
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/gregg-wallace-stripped-naked-set-34209919

There seems to be multiple similar incidents all involving a victim and witnesses whilst on set.

THAT'S where it starts to get difficult to dismiss and ignore, if you have multiple people saying multiple similar things over a lengthy period of time.

I don't know whether these happened. I do know it's coming from numerous sources including quite a number who are well respected or have everything to lose by coming forward.

I actually don't think a lot of people are actually reading what a lot of these allegations actually say and how many witnesses there potentially are.

Cross posted.

I rest my case.

He didn't rape, molest, grope or touch anyone.

He won't do it again, let the man be.

And again.

This is a wind up right? You may be happy to have your arse slapped by your boss, you might enjoy Bob from accounts smutty innuendos but just because someone doesn't, it doesn't make them a luvvie or "a certain age" it just means were sick of it! And as for having sons, TEACH THEM TO RESPECT WOMEN rather than allowing them to carry on this despicable behaviour!