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Biden has pardoned his son because his conviction was a "miscarriage of justice".

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Cantalever · 02/12/2024 03:14

Is this the total end of standards and even a pretence at integrity in public life? This is a president, who admittedly like all the others, allowed innocent people to be executed in their joke of a justice system. What a hypocrite.

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TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 05:50

MaggieBsBoat · 02/12/2024 05:45

He’s a very old man who wants to do the last thing he actively can to help his son. In a few weeks he’ll have no chance to. Most of us would do the same. I’m not a fan of Biden but come on, it’s what any sane person would do to help their family - in a system where the actual president is a sex offender and fraudster and the government made of billionaires and fascists. The US is a cautionary tale nothing more.

Aye, any sane person would abuse their position of power for their own needs if others have also done so.

That's a great defence for any man that's ever abused their position of power isn't it.

Really priceless stuff on here today

Cromwell1905 · 02/12/2024 05:54

PearBears · 02/12/2024 05:11

Based on Trump's recent win, I don't think the majority of American voters care about integrity

And the same in the UK we voted out an ineffective lying government that supports its mates and takes freebies and replaced it with and ineffective, lying government that supports its mates and takes freebies.

people in glass houses best not throw stones

Sunflowergirl1 · 02/12/2024 05:54

No different in the Uk. Politicians will lie and do whatever they can get away with. No integrity. I had hoped better from the Labour government but their manifesto has proven to be a tissue of lies as well.

The standard seems to be that no one can be elected telling the truth

Thisisunbelievable · 02/12/2024 05:55

ChessorBuckaroo · 02/12/2024 05:31

This narcissistic, self absorbed, power hungry (had to be pushed out), egotistical maniac is currently funding a genocide.

And what do you mean "end of standards"? Since when were there any? Biden is just the latest in a long line of presidents who have either directly committed human rights abuses of people viewed as less than, or been complicit in it.

  • george washington advocating the complete evisceration of a Native settlement, and signing into law the fugitive slave act 1793 guaranteeing a slavemaster (such as himself) the return of African slaves to their masters who had escaped a plantation.

  • thomas jefferson raping at least one of his 600 African slaves, wrote, "blacks are inferior to whites in the endowments of body and mind", also dehumanised the Natives as "savages" in the white settler document the 'declaration' on an occupied peoples land. The Natives are PEOPLE. He's the savage.

  • theodore roosevelt on the Natives: "I don't believe the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are".

Faces of these three tyrants are carved into "mt rushmore" (carving done by a Ku Klux Klan grand wizard, Gutzon Borglum), another sacred Native site.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/07/03/mount-rushmore-gutzon-borglum-klan-stone-mountain/

And the fourth white supremacist on the monument, abraham lincoln, or Abe as he is affectionately known by the colonising group of white settlers, stated: "I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. I as much as any man am in favor of the superior position assigned to the white race."

There is the theft of Hawaii from its Natives. There is the crimes committed against civilians in Korea (No Gun Ri massacre), Vietnam (My Lai massacre), and over a million killed in Iraq as well as prisoner abuse (Abu Ghraib).

Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan in a recorded phone call, Reagan stated: "Last night, I tell you, to watch that thing on television, as I did, to see those, those monkeys from those African countries — damn them — they’re still uncomfortable wearing shoes!”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ronald-reagan-called-african-u-n-delegates-monkeys-call-richard-n1037171

Richard Nixon: "I have the greatest affection for [blacks], but I know they're not going to make it for 500 years. ... The Mexicans are a different cup of tea. They have a heritage. At the present time they steal, they're dishonest, but they do have some concept of family life. They don't live like a bunch of dogs, which the Negroes do live like."

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1999-11-07-9911070165-story.html

Palestinians, facing a genocide (per UN agencies) by a group being armed to the teeth by Biden, over 42k dead, over 26k of whom are women and children.

Standards? Really?

That is a fucking depressing (but excellent) summary. 😞

I hoped we had evolved further but sadly I think we are devolving if that’s a word. It feels like a race to the bottom in so many ways. We are capable of such wonderful things as humans, yet we allow all that you have summarised and far more to go unchallenged.

The trouble is power tends to attract c*s. Few are genuinely in it for the good of humanity. They are usually narcissistic. Obama and Jacinda, I think were exceptions.

ChessorBuckaroo · 02/12/2024 06:01

Here's a question, name an american president that was a decent human being?

"End of standards". Fuck me.

Biden, a narcissistic maniac who has repeatedly justified the funding of the genocide of a people who are largely a different colour to him and not western so they count less (as all non whites have done to all the presidents), and the opening poster of this thread mentioned him pardoning an individual as being the marker for an "end of standards".

Utterly depressing.

What this thread shows (and all western media in general), is how little people in the west care about non white peoples in the rest of the world. The pardoning of an individual trumps the 250 plus years of tyranny inflicted by that white settler entity on non white people of the world.

Thisisunbelievable · 02/12/2024 06:02

Sunflowergirl1 · 02/12/2024 05:54

No different in the Uk. Politicians will lie and do whatever they can get away with. No integrity. I had hoped better from the Labour government but their manifesto has proven to be a tissue of lies as well.

The standard seems to be that no one can be elected telling the truth

Corbyn, love him or loathe him, told the truth. He held on to complexity rather than reducing things down to palatable sound bites. He genuinely cares. He was stubborn about the antisemitism/Zionist stuff where he should have been more robust in his response, because he wouldn’t take a black/white position - he saw it as grey.

But we don’t want that. You are right. We want certainty. Even when there isn’t any.

The USA are so desperate for it they will take it in the form of a giant orange toddler who will say anything with certainty and then say the opposite with the same amount of certainty the next day.

Im just hoping that our current lot will head in the right direction once the financial situation improves. I do think Kier has more integrity than many. Time will tell.

FrostyTheSnowHuman · 02/12/2024 06:05

Cannot believe people are excusing this on the grounds Trump has done/will do similar.

The fact Trump is shamelessly corrupt does not make Biden’s shameless corruption okay.

Haven’t the Dems been going on and on about how the only way to preserve justice and democracy is to vote for them?

I despair.

FrostyTheSnowHuman · 02/12/2024 06:07

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 05:50

Aye, any sane person would abuse their position of power for their own needs if others have also done so.

That's a great defence for any man that's ever abused their position of power isn't it.

Really priceless stuff on here today

Edited

Totally agree. I genuinely feel depressed reading this nonsense.

Thisisunbelievable · 02/12/2024 06:09

thesilvermoon · 02/12/2024 04:12

No, it's a man who knows what's ahead under Trump and has wisely chosen to protect his son from it, while he has the chance. You can't just trust the justice system to do the right thing under Trump.

That’s a good point.

Falseshamrok · 02/12/2024 06:09

Oriunda · 02/12/2024 04:04

Tbh I don’t blame him. Biden knows full well that Trump is going to wreak havoc and fill every position of power with his acolytes. I’d hate to have a child in prison who would be at the mercy of the vengeful orange one. Trump has pardoned all sorts of criminals; at this point there really is no point in playing the nice guy and turning the other cheek.

‘The vengeful orange one’ made me laugh out loud 😂😂

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 06:10

FrostyTheSnowHuman · 02/12/2024 06:07

Totally agree. I genuinely feel depressed reading this nonsense.

Glad someone else sees it.

Its really is beyond belief that a female oriented site is defending the most powerful man on the planet abusing his position to protect his own personal interests.

ChessorBuckaroo · 02/12/2024 06:11

Would this not count in your "end of standards" OP?

This is an advertisement taken out by george washington (that's the first president of the white settler entity) in an attempt to recover one of his 600 slaves who fled his plantation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ona_Judge

Ona Judge - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ona_Judge

KillerTomato7 · 02/12/2024 06:11

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 04:54

Yeah, who cares about a meaningless thing like the oath you took when being sworn in as President of the US and the integrity of office when it comes to such things.

But but but but Trump etc. etc.

Edited

The oath isn’t that long, if you care to read it, and Biden didn’t violate any part of it with this pardon. You need to look these things up before going on about politics in another country.

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 06:15

KillerTomato7 · 02/12/2024 06:11

The oath isn’t that long, if you care to read it, and Biden didn’t violate any part of it with this pardon. You need to look these things up before going on about politics in another country.

He is not executing his position of office in faith, he is pardoning a convicted criminal because he is his son

This is not hard to understand

Perhaps you should stop defending men who abuse their position of power and attacking other forum members for pointing this out. The man even made a big song and dance that he wouldn't do this because he knows full well it's wrong.

Butchyrestingface · 02/12/2024 06:17

I notice the pardon covers the period 2014-2024. If I were Hunter, reckon I’d be making plans to leave the country, lest Trump starts digging for evidence of criminality before this period (I find it hard to believe Biden Jr was a boy scout until 2014 and then woke up one morning and thought, “hey, what can I do today?”)

ChessorBuckaroo · 02/12/2024 06:28

Biden pardoning an individual is an "end of standards" apparently.

For roughly the last six months, like many others I've watched footage of dead men, women and children being pulled out of rubble, often with parts of their body no longer in tact. But enough of that, or what was done to the Natives ("they gunned down the millions of Redskins to a few hundred thousand, and now keep the modest remnant under obersation in a cage" - Adolf Hitler, 1928), or the enslavement of Africans of which the elite planter class, including jefferson and washington, owned over 600 human beings, or the endless wars against non white peoples (Philliipines, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq etc and the massacres and abuses that took place), him pardoning an individual (a white western man) is THE "end of standards".

https://news.sky.com/story/biden-says-israels-action-in-gaza-not-genocide-after-arrest-warrant-request-for-netanyahu-13140516

Biden: 'What is happening in Gaza is not genocide' - after arrest warrant request for Netanyahu

International Criminal Court (ICC) prosecutor Karim Khan KC has applied for arrest warrants to be issued for Israel's prime minister and Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar over alleged war crimes.

https://news.sky.com/story/biden-says-israels-action-in-gaza-not-genocide-after-arrest-warrant-request-for-netanyahu-13140516

BiggestFan · 02/12/2024 06:28

Just another politician abusing his position. Nothing new, right or left wing, most of them do it.

Biden can get back to sniffing little girls hair now. Sicko.

Themysteriousdent · 02/12/2024 06:49

ChessorBuckaroo · 02/12/2024 06:11

Would this not count in your "end of standards" OP?

This is an advertisement taken out by george washington (that's the first president of the white settler entity) in an attempt to recover one of his 600 slaves who fled his plantation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ona_Judge

I've never heard of Oney this was a very interesting read. Thankyou for sharing.

Ytcsghisn · 02/12/2024 06:49

Look at the lefties falling over themselves to make excuses. ‘Oh but Trump’, ‘oh but he was innocent’ ‘oh but that’s the system (never mind that Biden said he would not do this)’.

The hypocrisy on the left never ceases to amaze.

No wonder Trump wiped the floor clean with Harris.

Ytcsghisn · 02/12/2024 06:52

These bedwetters are really really worried about Trump getting in. You don’t need to be a Trump supporter to see that.

Clutterbugsmum · 02/12/2024 06:52

I glad Biden has done this.

If you read his statement Biden is very clear with his reason in doing so. Any other person who had committed the same offenses as Hunter would not have even been charged let alone have a Plea agreement thrown out because of interference from Trump lackies.

HardenYourHeart · 02/12/2024 06:54

Thisisunbelievable · 02/12/2024 06:09

That’s a good point.

I agree. I can't blame Joe Biden for this, given what has happened in the past years. If I were part of the Biden family I would even get out of the country before Trump comes to power, because I doubt they will be safe from that point on.

TheTidyBear · 02/12/2024 06:55

Clutterbugsmum · 02/12/2024 06:52

I glad Biden has done this.

If you read his statement Biden is very clear with his reason in doing so. Any other person who had committed the same offenses as Hunter would not have even been charged let alone have a Plea agreement thrown out because of interference from Trump lackies.

I see

So had he been re-elected he would have just let his son unfairly rot in prison.

That's what he promised.

What a stand up guy

Ytcsghisn · 02/12/2024 07:00

Imagine if Trump had done this.

Cue ‘yeah but, no but…..’

Oh they never learn. Even after getting a pasting, they never learn.

Lifestooshort71 · 02/12/2024 07:01

Biden didn't lie earlier in the year when he said he wouldn't pardon his son - what he said was true at the time but he has since changed his mind. I do not condone his decision.