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AIBU for not wanting to pay rent?

336 replies

freebirdblue · 25/11/2024 22:59

I currently live with my older sister and her family and contribute £100 weekly toward rent and bills. I pay for takeaways, contribute toward their date nights, and ubers (apparently they can’t work the app). I relocated and she offered me her spare bedroom for a year so I can save and have more money to put towards a nice one bedroom apartment. On top of that, I also take care of my nephews and walk the dogs daily.

However, my BIL’s parents asked me to house and dog sit while they’re away travelling for two months. I’m a 10 minute drive away but already my expenses have gone up as I’m now doing a food shop (yes, I was spoilt that they included me in their evening dinners) and I have to bring the dogs to the vet (out of my own pocket to later be reimbursed when they return, which is another awkward issue).

However, my sister still wants me to still contribute while I’m not there, she insisted not the full £100 but wasn’t overly pleased when I suggested £50 either. The thing is, I don’t think it’s fair I have to contribute because if I wasn’t in the spare bedroom, no one else would be, and one of her friends is coming and going to stay while I’m away (recently single). I’m not calling to their house for dinner either, but I am still helping out with my nephews and working from home (which I hate doing as I only have my laptop and no other monitors) on certain days for them.

My mum is trying to reason I’d still pay a landlord if I was on holiday, but I’m house sitting for my BIL’s family as a favor (for free) and it’s not exactly a holiday either! However, my friends are arguing it is unreasonable and strange of my sister to expect me to pay. Is it? I’m so conflicted and don’t want to seem ungrateful but I also have to admit I am annoyed.

I made the mistake of telling her my salary and now she holds that against me and tells almost everyone we know I earn more than her and her partner combined. For starters, she works part time and he is an apprentice, they have a mortgage and kids, whereas I’m single and free of responsibility’s in my twenties. My salary isn’t overly great for my position and includes 10% of my pension so it seems like I’m earning more than I am.

AIBU? I feel £50 is more than fair but also feel like I shouldn’t have to contribute either while I’m not there.

OP posts:
Gorgonemilezola · 26/11/2024 11:40

'OP has been offered an opportunity to save for her own property by staying at her sister's at a MASSIVELY discounted rate'

No, the OP is paying more for the room in her sister's place than she would be in a shared house, and about the same as she would be in her own flat. On top of which she's dog walking, baby sitting, paying for taxis and date nights and being used as a house sitting service.

She is being royally taken advantage of and it sounds as if it's been going on for years.

Time to move out and free yourself, OP, and promise yourself you won't be manipulated in the future.

GivingitToGod · 26/11/2024 11:43

rookiemere · 26/11/2024 11:32

@GivingitToGod but it's not discounted is it ?
OP would pay £300 per month in a shared flat, leaving her 200 per month ( plus whatever she currently spends on takeaways and Ubers for everyone) on groceries.

Perhaps OP should move out then!

rookiemere · 26/11/2024 11:46

@GivingitToGod "Perhaps OP should move out then!"
I think we're all agreed on that one !

Naunet · 26/11/2024 11:54

GivingitToGod · 26/11/2024 11:27

Disagree,OP is working so even though she is looking after kids at times, that is part of being a family IMO
Ubers and take aways are all part of supporting family life too
The dog sitting is a separate issue.
Referring to OP not being responsible for sister's life choices is inappropriate.
OP has been offered an opportunity to save for her own property by staying at her sister's at a MASSIVELY discounted rate √

How interesting that you expect support only in one direction.

Newbie1011 · 26/11/2024 11:54

The sister is massively taking the piss. OP has made it clear she is paying market rate on the room so her sister is not doing her a favour (a lot of people have misread the post).
A live in nanny where I live is minimum £15 an hour for starters so the babysitting alone is way too much to ask. She is taking advantage of the fact you love your nieces and nephews and there’s a blurred boundary there.
I also think it’s really unpleasant that she is trying to up it to £150 after finding out your salary OP.
I wouldn’t have a big row with her over it, but I wouldn’t definitely, definitely move out !

Gorgonemilezola · 26/11/2024 12:05

GivingitToGod · 26/11/2024 11:43

Perhaps OP should move out then!

The OP has been going to move out on a couple of occasions but has been persuaded not to by the sister. Can't think why Hmm

Whiskeyandkittens · 26/11/2024 12:08

freebirdblue · 25/11/2024 23:20

I’ve actually viewed apartments and planned on moving out multiple times but they always convince me not to and use the whole “save for something better and bigger”. We never said a year set in stone but that I could stay for a year. However, I intend on moving out early next year (I am house and dog sitting for them while they’re away for two weeks in January so no point moving out to pay two rents yet) and they’re aware of the same. Everytime I view somewhere they reassure me there’s no pressure to leave! They also asked me my salary and I told them, I didn’t realize it was something to be taboo across immediate family as we often spoke about what we earned per/hr

I'm a bit confused, why would you be paying two rents if you move out? Are they expecting you to pay for the privilege of housesitting and dogsitting for them? They should be paying YOU for that!

Summerlilly · 26/11/2024 12:22

You should pay your sister the £100 a week. But DO NOT go back and forth babysitting and dog walking for them while you are house sitting.
You shouldn’t be losing money while doing other people favours.
They are being ridiculous and everyone commenting you should be paying more has obviously not read your posts and updates. You are paying enough because you are giving them free babysitting and dog walking.

You definitely need to move out. It’s not your problem that at their age they don’t have their shit together and earn a liveable wage.

KeenCat · 26/11/2024 12:22

GivingitToGod · 26/11/2024 11:27

Disagree,OP is working so even though she is looking after kids at times, that is part of being a family IMO
Ubers and take aways are all part of supporting family life too
The dog sitting is a separate issue.
Referring to OP not being responsible for sister's life choices is inappropriate.
OP has been offered an opportunity to save for her own property by staying at her sister's at a MASSIVELY discounted rate √

It's not a massively discounted rate, or even discounted, she could find a cheaper alternative without all the strings attached.

AnonymousBleep · 26/11/2024 12:26

There's no way she should be paying the BIL rent while she's not living there BECAUSE SHE'S DOGSITTING HIS FAMILY DOG FOR FREE.

They are total CFs even suggesting it.

StormingNorman · 26/11/2024 12:27

SpiggingBelgium · 26/11/2024 00:57

Oh FFS. How many more threads are you going to pollute with this obtuse, sneery, patronising attitude?

If it’s all just a case of family helping each other out, why did OP even agree to the deal her sister offered in the first place? Surely she should have said, “But you’re my sister - why don’t I get to stay for free?” OP agreed to (very favourable) commercial terms - she had other options if she didn’t like them.

Glad to meet a fan. No recollection of seeing your posts before.

Is that sneery enough for you?

😂😂😂

midgetastic · 26/11/2024 12:29

AnonymousBleep · 26/11/2024 12:26

There's no way she should be paying the BIL rent while she's not living there BECAUSE SHE'S DOGSITTING HIS FAMILY DOG FOR FREE.

They are total CFs even suggesting it.

She is living in a home

No one else would ever expect to get the rent deducted if they went on holiday

She could say no to dog sitting

SpiggingBelgium · 26/11/2024 12:34

AnonymousBleep · 26/11/2024 12:26

There's no way she should be paying the BIL rent while she's not living there BECAUSE SHE'S DOGSITTING HIS FAMILY DOG FOR FREE.

They are total CFs even suggesting it.

BIL is 40 - his parents’ dog is not “the family dog”.

Yes, he was a CF to suggest it without clearing it with the OP, but it’s not him getting a good deal here - it’s his parents. BIL doesn’t save any money from the dog sitting.

Miloarmadillo2 · 26/11/2024 12:42

The point is that BIL set it up, his parents benefit and the OP is worse off since she now has to buy her own food as well as pay her rent and provide two lots of dog walking!
She needs the Mumsnet mantra “No! is a complete sentence”

freebirdblue · 26/11/2024 12:50

Ok to clarify, we have never formally sat down and chatted about our living arrangement and what’s expected of each other. After I started working in my hospitality job (low paying and less hours in comparison to my earnings now) they asked if I could contribute £100 per week towards living expenses.

When I first arrived, I paid for family outings to the Zoo and various other child friendly activities that costed £££ and treated them frequently to meals, coffees, and cakes as a way of showing my gratitude. I also didn’t work or travel for the first 6 initial weeks of arriving so I could support her with school drops offs, pick ups, and childcare on the days she worked. I saved her more in childcare that would she would’ve earned in “rent” during this period.

However, when I landed my new job, I made the mistake of telling her my salary as stated. I now work Monday to Friday during school hours and can’t assist as frequently, but can work from home on occasion to assist with overnight sleepovers and school drop offs (which I have). BILS parents now assist more than I do as they’re retired but frequently travel. When my sister is on a sleep shift, BIL usually goes for two to three hour long runs and I stay in the house with my nephews and the dog. They don’t expect me to walk the dog but if I don’t, the dog typically isn’t walked and I feel bad for him especially as he is a Collie breed. It is also an escape to get out of a busy and loud house sometimes.

They say I can say “no” to babysitting, but it would cause tension (and has) if I did. My sisters partner is more mindful than she is, and a lot more grateful and appreciative of the “perks” I offer. When I treated them to a £300 tasting meal last month, he repeatedly thanked me while my sister was more cold. The meal was half an engagement present and half a thank you for “hosting” me. We also went out at the weekend to see a band with her friends and I paid £50 for her ticket without thanks. I have spare income, I enjoy it, but I also make sure they enjoy it while I’m under their roof as I know they don’t have the means to at the moment. We, my family included, think it was irresponsible of them to buy a house and go from a top paid chef to an apprentice. They are taking out a loan to buy a second vehicle (but are skimping by) and to visit our home next year. They are failing to live without their means, and I can’t continue to assist.

Yes, they include me in their evening meals because they said it doesn’t make sense for us to be cooking two different meals. I buy groceries for my own lunch and share these with them i.e. fresh fruit and cheese if they need to, and only prepare sandwiches so no electricity is involved there. I will pickup additional groceries that they need when asked and always ask if they need something when I go to the shops. I leave by 7.30am latest and am home by 6.00pm latest, usually with drinks or dessert for dinner. I have quick body showers in the morning and wash my hair at the gym 9/10 times. I don’t take excessively long showers or baths. I am hyper aware of bills and try to contribute as little to them as I can.

If I knew I would’ve had to continue contributing to their household while house sitting BILs for free, I would have declined, because my expenses have more or less doubled as a result. It isn’t exactly cheaper for me to move out once bills are factored in on top of groceries, but when I take into account the additional “perks” I provide, it is cheaper to live independently of them. As we had no formal agreement or prior discussion until Saturday (I moved in Thursday) and we agreed £50. However, today she asked for £100 to contribute toward their Wifi, bills, and water, things I am not contributing to at the moment and said I am more than welcome to stop by for dinner any night I want to. I didn’t even realize I was expected to continue paying money while doing a favour for BILS parents - that they offered me for!

The reason I offer to babysit and pay for date nights is to show gratitude as I realize I am fortunate in many ways, the rental crisis is bad, and finding a room can be hard. However, it isn’t impossible and I have spent this evening applying for some viewings so fingers crossed. My sister has thrown cooking dinners for me in the past in my face when I have declined to help with babysitting so I feel I am walking on eggshells around her and try to overcompensate so that if it ever did come for it, I’d have more to throw back at her - a very, very toxic and mentally draining mindset.

I have gone to therapy but never addressed my sisters attempt, but my work offers the EAP program so I might use this facility while I am alone house sitting to “hash” it out with someone - providing they have availability! I feel responsible for her as a result, or at least her mental health, and making sure she is ok but as our dad reiterated to me tonight, she is always going to put herself first and I need to learn to do the same otherwise she will continue to walk over me. All advice on how to would be appreciated!

They have recently been hit with unexpected bills i.e. mortgage fees and annual weeks, which is a part of being a homeowner and they didn’t realise this. I am happy to contribute but wonder what they would do without me because they wouldn’t rent out their spare room. However, they’re not skimping by, they’re still eating out here and there, having takeaway coffees etc., things which I couldn’t ever have afforded while genuinely broke - and are buying a second vehicle slash holidaying home which is £££££+.

I understand it probably “hurts” them when I am buying things and parcels are coming for me, but I’m also 24 and free of responsibility and in my first well paid job after graduating Uni.

The whole house sitting situation for BILs family is another story, I feel slightly blindsided by it all. My sister stated when they lived here and they travelled before, BILs mum told her to keep the receipts and she would reimburse her and she never did.

Anyways, I’ve already wrote a lot here, I do appreciate everyone’s advice and reasoning. I can see it from both sides as an outsider, but we never had a formal agreement nor is she a landlord either. They should’ve addressed the continuance of rent prior to me house sitting in my opinion so I could have at least said no.

OP posts:
GivingitToGod · 26/11/2024 13:01

KeenCat · 26/11/2024 12:22

It's not a massively discounted rate, or even discounted, she could find a cheaper alternative without all the strings attached.

We'll agree to disagree

StormingNorman · 26/11/2024 13:02

Your sister is indeed toxic and it sounds as if you grew up trying to get on/stay on her good side. All these treats and her entitlement are hallmarks for you being the people pleaser in the relationship. The way she commandeers your time too. Therapy would be a good idea to help you find your voice.

As you have an agreement to cover “living expenses” rather than pay rent, it is cheeky fuckery to expect you to continue paying for utilities you aren’t using. There are no living expenses to cover because you aren’t living there.

They are up shit creek without your money coming in but it is not your job to subsidise their financial ineptness.

AnonymousBleep · 26/11/2024 13:06

midgetastic · 26/11/2024 12:29

She is living in a home

No one else would ever expect to get the rent deducted if they went on holiday

She could say no to dog sitting

It's not a commercial landlord relationship though is it - no landlord would expect dog walking, childminding, or his tenants to pay for his ubers or date nights. It's an informal agreement that is very much exploiting the OP. Clearly they think she's a big earner and therefore they're entitled to rinse her for as much cash as they can.

But she definitely needs to stand up to them and say a firm no. And move out!

LookItsMeAgain · 26/11/2024 13:07

@freebirdblue - you wrote "They have recently been hit with unexpected bills i.e. mortgage fees and annual weeks, which is a part of being a homeowner and they didn’t realise this"

To be honest I'd say "Tough shit" to them for that. They need to work out a budget and stick to it. They are home owners.
They must have realised that they have mortgage fees when they signed up for a mortgage and annual fees etc. that come with owning a house. You are not using their WiFi for the duration that you're in BiL's family home so I'd refuse to pay for that and any other incidentals that they have while you're not there. I'd pay for the room (the £50) but I'd really use this time to find somewhere to move to from BiL's family home when you've finished house sitting for them.

GivingitToGod · 26/11/2024 13:13

Summerlilly · 26/11/2024 12:22

You should pay your sister the £100 a week. But DO NOT go back and forth babysitting and dog walking for them while you are house sitting.
You shouldn’t be losing money while doing other people favours.
They are being ridiculous and everyone commenting you should be paying more has obviously not read your posts and updates. You are paying enough because you are giving them free babysitting and dog walking.

You definitely need to move out. It’s not your problem that at their age they don’t have their shit together and earn a liveable wage.

Harsh

Rosscameasdoody · 26/11/2024 13:16

midgetastic · 26/11/2024 12:29

She is living in a home

No one else would ever expect to get the rent deducted if they went on holiday

She could say no to dog sitting

She’s not on holiday. She was virtually volunteered for the dog sitting job by BiL.

Coconutter24 · 26/11/2024 13:20

SpiggingBelgium · 26/11/2024 09:53

Off and on, the OP said. That isn’t the same as a sub-let.

However, that doesn’t mean I think it’s right. If the OP is paying a retainer, she should be able to use the room if she wants to during that period - not just when the friend isn’t staying. Either that or the OP does what she originally suggested and pay a lower amount (rather than not paying anything as she’s now saying she feels is appropriate) to ensure her sister and BIL keep the room available for her return, continue to store her property and allow her to continue using their house as a permanent address. This is what OP needs to negotiate.

This is why I have said, and will say again, that there is too much vagueness around whether this is a proper agreement to rent a room, or a favour to a family member in return for a bit of “keep”. Is some occasional babysitting the OP doing something nice for her sister, or is it part of an agreement that sees her pay a third of the going rate in the area to rent a room? Is OP buying the odd takeaway as a lovely family treat, or acknowledging that most of the time she eats for free on top of getting cheap rent?

There's fault on both sides in this aspect. If OP plans to go ahead with the dog sitting arrangement and then return to her sister’s house afterwards, it’s a good opportunity to set some clearer boundaries.

If her sister is letting someone stay in that room while OP is away dog sitting, why should OP pay for that room whilst it’s being used by someone else?

justasking111 · 26/11/2024 13:27

@freebirdblue has been stitched up like a kipper. She's being milked by her sister BIL and her BILs parents..

Dobby anyone?

Rosscameasdoody · 26/11/2024 13:27

Hellohelga · 26/11/2024 09:32

A whole year accommodation for £1,200 plus a few sundries, I’d just pay up.

£400 a month isn’t £1200 a year !!

justasking111 · 26/11/2024 13:28

Rosscameasdoody · 26/11/2024 13:27

£400 a month isn’t £1200 a year !!

Correct it is £4800.00

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