Greg wallace

[Johnbrown]

Why is he still on master chef?

Ffs. Misogynistic comments are the tip of a deep, dangerous iceberg that we need to start chipping away at. You don't get to decide that it's irrelevant. * *

As much as I can’t stand Greg Wallace I really didn’t think the Prime Minister’s spokesperson needed to make a statement.

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You also don't get to decide on someone's guilt by reading what's in the press.

Pensioners living too long?

Freezing pensioners? Is that what GW wants to do with women of a certain age

I think the other thing that can be tricky - and I’m not saying it applies here - but there has to be a problematic aspect of taking today’s attitudes and applying them to behaviour that took place years back. It’s great that as a society we are increasingly evolving and people see certain behaviours as having been very wrong - and sone will be so wrong they were known to be at the time. But there’s a place in between where things can be very driven by social mores of the time ( again reiterating that this may very well not be relevant in this case). An example of this which I expect to become an issue down the line is posting things on sm. I feel certain there will be a backlash - perhaps who were children when their pics etc were posted on SM seeking redress from the adults who did it. To what extent will it be fair to go back in time to now when it is very much a social norm to do it? I don’t, as I see the potential for it to be construed as a gross violation of privacy; but do the people currently doing it in a climate where it is generally acceptable deserves to be treated by today’s standards or tomorrow’s? I think there is no easy answer to that. But if I think back to my childhood or a little further still there were a lot of things people did - both bottom slappy type things but also seatbelts/ no car seats for babies etc. The past is a different country and all that. Yet of course there has to be accountability for things as well. I think the balance is a tricky one.

I'm waiting for a big confessional where he explains away his awful behaviour.
The only question is which way he goes?

Addiction? Sex, drugs, or alcohol?

Mental health breakdown? (One that lasted 20 years and insults anyone with genuine MH issues)

Well said.

Too many sausage rolls??

@Swivelhead so misogyny and sexual harassment not important then

from some of the comments on another thread he has a few and they are on here!

Wallace is 60. He and I are not that far apart in age. This kind of overt predatory behaviour was not acceptable when I was young either.

I find it laughable also to excuse him on grounds of being working class. I grew up in a poor working class community and none of the men I grew up around would have considered this kind of lechy, slimy behaviour acceptable around women.

You will see I twice put a qualification in my post that I wasn’t suggesting that the notion of changing norms applied in this particular case. I only mentioned it as it bears on the topic more generally.

But I think this sort of thinking is just making excuses. Think of all the decent men. They knew not to behave like this - even (gasp!) before the turn of the millennium. Decent men never did this.

He WISHES he was a middle class woman.
Jealousy is an ugly thing, Greggles.

Maybe he’s snapped at people forgetting the extra G on the end of Greg?

It's unbelievable. With everything that's going on in the world and in this country.

No, the whole issue of "things were different then" is irrelevant to the case of Wallace and his behaviour. It was not acceptable "in his day" and it isn't acceptible now (and up until the recent publicity his behaviour certainly hadn't changed). Ditto the classist bollocks that he is "working class" implying its acceptable to working class people (also not true then or now).

All the guff about children's seatbelts and images is simple whataboutery and nothing to do with Wallace whatsoever.

I agree with you.

Right.

They're only too delighted for us to be getting in a dither about a cookery show co-presenter rather than talking about British missiles being fired into Russia, the cancellation of the winter fuel payment , the fact so many people haven't been able to see their GP face to face since before the pandemic, the reasons custody of Sara Sharif was awarded to her evil father... where the hell do we begin to talk about the shit we're in?

But fuck all that, some bald cunt made some sexual innuendos to fellow media luvvies.

@Swivelhead but those things have been headline news too and discussed on social media and on here. We can talk about more things than one you know. And actually tackling misogyny and sexual harassment in workplace and misusing your power as a man are important discussions. Let's face it most evils in this world are down to men misusing/wielding their power.

And those media luvvies you talk about, most of them were employees. The ones we have names for are the celebrities but others impacted are lower paid general employees. And this as we know is the tip of the iceberg on how women are treated in many organisations. Surely, that is worth discussing. I hope the more men they flush out the more women will feel empowered to talk about their experiences.

There is a huge issue with misogyny/sexual harassment in schools. Read the Ofsted Review on peer on peer abuse in schools, it is frightening. Maybe having the discussions we are having at the moment will help reduce the sexual harassment etc girls are experiencing in school. Because otherwise these young lads grow up to be causing even more problems than they are at the moment

I don’t really think of it from the excuses pov; it’s more thinking about the retrospective aspect from a policy perspective. I - or you - could be doing things seemed normal now but which might be frowned on in years to come. I gave the example of posting on SM when it involves other people’s information. It’s important when dealing with these types of things that we think what we are establishing as acceptable reaching backwards. I highly suspect any of this business will be too recent and too clear cut for it to be an issue, but was simply raising that there is an issue around how things are framed.