To think this is an unacceptable wage?

[Youthiswastedontheyoung]

I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

Shocking that such a rude, misogynistic and condescending person is a teacher.

Live in the North/interest-only mortgage on a cheap terrace/cheap car/no-frills lifestyle - wouldn't recommend it tbh.
On that note, I need to make and do something more useful binge watch Shrinking and Ludwig and Xmas movies
Take care. x

I don't think it's that bad for a role without the additional responsibilities that come with a permanent role. I am a qualified professional with over 20 years experience and do occasional days for other organisations and I get approx £140 net for a day's work, which I don't think is too bad!

@Youthiswastedontheyoung it’s rubbish pay if you are that experienced. Here’s a link to what band you should be paid neu.org.uk/advice/member-groups/supply-staff/pay-scales

@VaccineSticker That's pay only if not through an agency unfortunately.

@Youthiswastedontheyoung Are you sure your calculations are correct? I can't see how £140 gross equates to £112 net? Surely you have at least 20% tax, National insurance and pension contributions to come out of the £140? So if you are taking home £112 you should be getting more than £140 gross?

If you were in Australia, your £112 net would be the equivalent of $AUD218 net.

My last casual/supply day 2019 (graduate teacher in NSW with 40 years classroom experience) was over $AUD385 before tax and $AUD267 net ... following income tax, superannuation deduction, etc.

A casual supply day here in NSW (Australia) requires almost 6 hours face-to-face plus a playground/yard/supervision duty of 20-30 minutes. 10 minute tea break plus a 20-25 minute applies.

Considering teachers here have been remunerated with an extra 6% or 7% since I last worked in a school, I'm quite sure you are being ripped off.

Your school, region or state does not value your work and responsibility enough.

Yup. I'm a full time teacher and my husband is supply. Both of us have 25 years + experience. He gets £500 per week, but of course nothing over holidays. Remember your pension, teachers pension is good so make sure you're paying into it.

It's fascinating to hear that teachers in Australia are clearly treated far better than teachers here in the UK.
I wonder how the conditions compare?

From the OP's recent post it sounds like she is 'employed' by the agency and has tax, NI and pension contributions taken from her wages, along with the agencies commision. This of course means she is getting the same in work benefits as an employed person. To be getting that as well as a take home rate of over £20 an hour is bloody good money. No matter how you look at it.

Legal costs! And being charged £350 an hour for a phone call, that requires no preparation!

@ARealitycheck Oh yes, EXACTLY the same benefits as an "employed person" (whatever you mean by that?!!!)
All supply teachers get holiday pay and everything.

I assume you understand the difference between a proper self employed person and one who is an employee.

@ARealitycheck And I assume you can read what you wrote?

So your employed by an agency. They take NI, tax and pension contributions. You are then entitled to sick pay & holiday pay. At the same time as taking home £20 plus an hour. To put that into perspective, someone on the recent minimum wage will be taking home just over £10 with no pension contribution. You genuinely have no idea how well off you are.

@ARealitycheck How the heck am I "taking home" £20 plus an hour?!!!!
I came out (net) with £112 - 8.30 - 3.30!!!!
And you really are silly if you think supply teachers get sick pay and holiday pay 😆
Silly Billy.

You are describing having deductions taken. This would strongly suggest you are an 'off payroll' employee of the agency. As such you accrue the same in work benefits as an employee. If you were properly self employed and billing the agency as a Personal Service Company, you would receive the full £140 day rate but be responsible for paying your own tax and NI.

Now using your £112 and dividing it by hours actually worked. Primary school, highly likely 1.5 hour breaks, then £112 divided by 5.5 worked hours out of the seven you were there, it comes in at £20.36 per hour after deductions.

@ARealitycheck With respect, you're talking out your bum. I've never in my life come across a supply teacher who gets sick and holiday pay. Or 1.5 hours in breaks for that matter.
What planet are you on?!!

These are the figures you gave. If you are getting deductions removed at source before you get 'wages' you are an employee with all the in work benefits that entails.

I don't for one minute believe you go in at 8:30 and work without stopping until 3:30, for a start that would be illegal.

@ARealitycheck Google: do supply teachers get paid holiday and sick pay? 😆 😂 😆 😂

So stop working part-time hours then, and get a job tutoring for an additional 3 hours an evening so you're actually working a full day @Youthiswastedontheyoung!

Grousing about the going rate in your chosen career here is a bit of a waste of time. If you want paying for your experience, take a full time role with management responsibilities to up your 'day rate'.

If you want reduced hours & they flexibility not to have to work next week if it doesn't suit - the hourly rate paid will reflect that lack of commitment!

And STOP comparing net with gross, you're an embarrassment to the maths department.

Good luck with your career change.

The professions you mention
wont be taking home £16 pH and will only have minimum employer pension contributions if they meet the threshold. Do agency teachers belong to the same pension scheme as fully contracted teachers? This will make a big difference to your overall
Pay.

It absolutely doesn't. £224 a day works out at £43k because supply teachers can only work 195 days a year max.

Well said. It was said upthread, but we all hope maths is not something the OP teaches in any form. 😁

That is very low. Change agency maybe? I wouldnt work for less than £140 a day gross for day to day supply and if I'm teaching my subject I want to be paid to scale. Was £212 a day but think it's just gone up.
So check out other agencies. And also once Ur a bit more established and have proven Ur worth, start asking to be paid to scale.
I'm secondary MFL if that helps. I don't know if u r primary or secondary.