To think this is an unacceptable wage?

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I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

@juggleit My class teacher role includes TPS membership (Teacher Pension Scheme). Supply teaching does not.

@Doubledenim305 Thanks. I'm primary so don't have a subject. Fascinating how all of the teachers on here understand the situation.

Supply through an agency will have to meet all the standard contract law. So statutory pension contributions & paid time off at the standard rate.

If you're only doing one day a week on supply, it's unlikely you will meet the minimum statutory threshold for pension contributions though.

And if you've only just started working for the agency, they won't have paid out any accrued leave yet. I suggest you look into the terms of your contract with them.

As others have said , as it's a second job, your take home will be 'suppressed' because you have no tax-free allowance being applied to this work. That's why you shouldn't be comparing apples & pears & you need to look at the gross rate.

@MeandT Not the case for supply teachers.

What did you say your gross hourly rate, direct off your payslip for the hours worked in supply was, again?

@MeandT From NEU website:
Can I access the Teachers’ Pension Scheme as an agency supply teacher?
Supply agencies are not permitted to participate in the Teachers’ Pension Scheme (TPS). Supply teaching is only pensionable under the TPS when supply teachers are employed directly by a school or local authority. The NEU continues to seek equal access to the TPS for all teachers working in state-funded schools.

£140

Also from NEU website:

What should I expect to be paid as an agency supply teacher?
Supply teachers employed by or through agencies are generally not employed by the school, academy or local authority so they are not covered by the school teachers’ pay and conditions documents (STPCD) for England and Wales. Their pay is determined by their agency – and agency pay rates are generally far lower than those for supply teachers directly employed by schools. A 2020 NEU supply member survey found that around half were paid less than £125 per day, while only seven per cent were paid over £150 per day.
To put these figures in context, a daily rate of £100 means that, even if the teacher works every day of the school year, they earn around £4,000 less than a newly qualified teacher in a full-time post. Even a daily rate of £150 pays an experienced supply teacher at best some ten per cent less than a teacher with five years’ experience paid at the main pay range maximum.
Pay rates can vary according to the length of the assignment, may vary by subject and certainly vary regionally. Some schools contribute to this by seeking to bargain with agencies. Rather than reduce their own margins, the agencies cut the pay of the supply teachers.

I didn't say TPS pension. I said statutory pension. You know, the 3% employer contribution us mere mortals get out here in the bunfight world of 7.5 hours a day, 232 days a year!

Anyway, £140 gross for 6.5 hours sounds like £21.54 an hour to me, so massively over minimum wage & reception/cleaning/waiting type jobs.

You need to consistently do supply to get over the Agency Worker qualifying period for other equivalent terms https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f2873ed915d74e6228bdd/Agency_Workers_Regulations_-_1_Sept_2016.pdf

But in short, I agree with your DH, it's not a bad rate for casual no-commitment extra days. Accessing the full pay scale rate requires reporting, team meetings, parents evenings, working within the wider school community etc.

As I said before, if you're short of pay, why don't you throw in 3 hours an evening of tutoring? Or move to a standard contract elsewhere for a longer working week?

I don't think the Agency rate of £21.54 is unreasonable, no. It doesn't matter to them that you have more experience than the minimum required for their placements. I wouldn't expect to get my professional hourly rate if I temped doing invoice data entry ejther 🤷🏼‍♀️

Do other locums/supply in other professions get less than those on contract, do you know, @MeandT ? I know locum social workers are paid more and that has been mentioned before. And locum GPs the same

If I go and temp in a role I can choose not to turn up at next week after doing this week because it was convenient, and I'm doing the basic, vanilla, entry level work & putting my pen down at the end of hours and going home. I won't get paid the same rate as I do for my 20 years professional experience, no.

If I want paying for the full range of experience I have, then I need to look for a role (temporary or permanent) that matches the skills I have to offer. Not something that needs a bum on a seat meeting the basic ability to deliver entry level skills.

If you want paying at scale, either negotiate with the Agency before signing, do supply direct to a school rather than via an Agency, or find a role for more hours on a permanent basis.

If you want to bring your 21 years experience in YR-Y6 to bear on flitting in to cover teaching Y1 some phonics & playtime for a couple of days every now & again, when a newly qualified without a permanent role yet could do it for £21.54/hour. Do I think it would be a good use of taxpayers money paying you at scale?

No.

If you don't like that answer, go negotiate yourself a different contract somewhere else.

That's irrelevant how many days they can work, people are showing how it compares to an annual salary. Over £21 per hour is good money. Just because they can only work 190 doesn't mean that hourly rate doesn't equate to £42k FTE. £21 prr hour is massively above minimum wage.

The difference is a supply teacher isn't doing the job of a teacher a locum gp is

Try being a TA then you will know what low wages are. You have zero responsibility now for anything outside of 9 til 3

It was in your opening post OP. You said you worked 8:30am-3:30pm. That’s a 35 hour week.

How is she going to make a career change, re-qualify (and pay for it), and then find an entry level legal role that offers the flexibility she needs to balance her obligations at home?

I am not sure I believe OP was a TA otherwise she wouldn't be moaning she isn't paid enough in a school.

Maybe you are both on unfair salaries in that case?

She moaned relentlessly about that job too in fairness.

Reading several threads and posts I think moaning is her day job.

This is the third name change that I'm aware of, so there's even more...

I think it depends on the age of the children.

I earn £12.40 pH working in retail and that's about to go up.

So no. It doesn't seem good enough to me.

It's supply teaching

I've done it - you do just have to turn up, teach and leave. You do get a daily rate, not an hourly rate.

And that's the gong rate - it's what makes supply teaching financially hard i you are doing day to day supply.

Someone on £38,000 takes home about £120 a day net. (£146 gross)

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The issue with supply teaching is that you don't do many days a year which makes it hard.

I've done primary supply teaching.

Your years of experience don't matter on day to day supply - it's what the school will pay and what you will accept. Supply and demand

I hope primary schools teach critical thinking soon.

You (and that survey) are comparing different things.

Day to day supply is different to full time teaching.

If a supply teacher is covering a class for a whole school year, with the expectations of doing exactly the same as a teacher in that time, then it's an interesting question as to what the rate should be - bearing in mind a teacher's pay is spread over the whole year. Ask a teacher what their hourly rate is and you get all sorts of answers.

But day to day is different/ I am sure you can do the maths to work out how many days you can work in a school year as a supply teacher.

However, your hourly pay is BEFORE tax. OP states that £16/hr is after, so was likely paid £20/hr.

OP, I apologise if i missed this. To simplify things

Why don't you tell us what the agency hourly rate is before any deductions?

What is the FTE salary for your main job? I mentioned earlier that I looked up the salary for M6 but you said it's more that that- is this because you work in a private school or London?

Myself and others are just finding it hard to believe that you didn't know the agency pay rate before working.

One thing I have noticed in nursing the last few years, basic salaries have increased but bank/agency rates have not. So,.depending on what agency you're with, there's very little difference. There are agencies that pay insane amounts but they aren't used as much. Perhaps it's the same with teaching?