To think this is an unacceptable wage?

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I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

@C8H10N4O2 Wonderful. You're still in the small minority. Do you know the other poster personally to know her title?

It's quite concerning that this person is in charge of 10/11 year olds. Even more concerning that they have apparently been awarded a scholarship to counsel anyone.
I'm out at this point, but OP, it's nobody else's fault that you are miserable. You can shit on other people's lives all you like, but it's not going to make you any happier. You've been putting other women down on here for months, maybe even years, under your various user names and it's pathetic.
As the famous saying says "if everyone else is always the problem, maybe the problem isn't everyone else"...

I mean that's £21.50ph gross if you're only taking half an hour break.

@Fluufer Still didn't address the title question.
But I wish you well.

@CutthroatDruTheViolent How does a teacher take a half-hour break? They can't teach an empty classroom.

So you don't ever spend time in the teacher's lounge? Having lunch, for example? I'm not a supply teacher so that was a guess.

Alright, you don't ever have a break. That's still £20ph gross.

Not all of them.

But a lot of nanny and childcare jobs do require you to have a degree.

One of my friends works in a nursery, she has a Degree in Early childhood education.

I recommended looking for work on teacher training courses. Most places have a bank of people they use in addition to permanent lecturers. If you're used to being observed then you can observe students on placement. You get known and they offer you more hours or some teaching. Eventually, if you wanted, you'd be in a position to start applying for lecturing posts. I'm a different profession but did this. On £56k. Work from home or out seeing students 3 days/week. Have to go in two days a week to teach. There are options out there but you seem so ground down that you can't see a way out. Good luck for the future.

I'm not sure what the AIBU was

I think most would agree that teaching is underpaid compared to a lot of other (but not all) graduate jobs, for the hours and responsibility they have.
Supply teaching is slightly different in that it's generally fewer hours and fewer responsibilities.

However comparing take home pay to gross NMW is not a reasonable comparison.

And it hasn't been established whether you were paid the advertised rate or agreed in advance. If the pay was less than expected because you were told or led to believe you would earn more then of course that's not unreasonable.

No, I didn't, because it's been covered ad infinitum on your previous million threads.

I think the trouble is, you haven’t listened to any of the good advice offered and have been quite rude to a lot of people. Yes there have been a few “supply teachers are just babysitting” posts but most people have offered constructive advice which you’ve ignored or argued against, eg

• you’ve refused to acknowledge that it’s wrong to compare your net take home pay to gross minimum wage so have confused some posters who think your pay is £16ph when it’s more than that
• You want to work part time /flexible work as a teacher but are struggling financially- the only real option is to work more hours or in a better paid job, you can’t have it both ways
• You seem to think that increasing years of experience = ever-increasing pay but after a point if you’re not prepared to put in hours to climb the ladder or take on extra responsibilities, you can’t expect more money just because you’ve been doing the job a long time - this is the same in almost any profession
• supply teaching doesn’t require 20 years’ experience so you won’t get paid more than someone much less experienced
• the trade-off of lower pay is turn up and leave, no lesson planning, marking etc again, you can’t have it both ways
• you seem to think a degree and a PGCE is something special. I’m sure you worked hard for them. A huge proportion of the population have at least one degree and/or professional qualifications. Yes this does open some doors to certain professions but after a while it’s more about the progress you’ve made in your career and not how you got on to the ladder in the first place that reaps the financial rewards. Or doing less desirable work that pays better.

I can see you’re struggling but most people aren’t being nasty or bitchy, just offering a reality check and some sage advice. If you could try and see it from the point of view that not everyone is against you, and that if you try and be open-minded to listening to suggestions, that could help. I wish you well, truly.

You are quite correct they cannot teach an empty classroom. Which is why in any school this is the time the teaching staff take their breaks. A primary school will have between 1 hour 15mins and 1 hour 30mins of breaks. You are at the school for 7 hours and work approximately 5.5 hours.

You do realise the majority of working people do not get paid break times. They are entitled to breaks but not to be paid for them.

Also as others have said, the reality is your degree means very little in your current role. Just to reply to somebodies comment upthread, there are a great many manual type jobs that require years of training to be competent. Think electrician, plumber, joiner, mechanic etc. None of these are considered degree type jobs, but probably have skills and knowledge that far outweighs any number of academic degrees.

I don't think men would give any different answers. The op has been shown how taxation works but seems unwilling to accept it.

I earn £120 a day as a Receptionist in the Midlands, so I would have thought you should be earning more.

It’s not great but the problem is that between you and the employer there is an agency taking a big cut so what the school pays is a lot more than you receive. I’m assuming net means after tax NI etc so grossed up as others have said it’s not terrible. Of course you also sacrifice, pension, holiday pay, sickness benefit etc, I return you have flexibility.

How many hours is that for and is that before tax?

Hi, it's for 8 hours and before tax 😊

I pay my cleaner £17ph. Surely a supply teacher is still preparing & marking stuff unless it’s only a day’s cover.

So op has earned more (£140 before tax) for fewer hours.

TBF that is a pretty good wage for a receptionist. But nowhere near what the OP is actually getting. After tax basing it on a 40 hour week you are getting £12.50 per hour.

Your cleaner still has tax and NI to take from that.

I'm confused - were you not aware of what you would be earning before you took the role?

I couldn’t agree more.

They absolutely do not. What a silly statement .

Still can't get my head around why so many of you genuinely believe a qualified teacher should be earning the same as a receptionist/cleaner/waiter etc? Of course they are incredibly important jobs, but surely you can see that they're not comparable occupations? Or not?