To think this is an unacceptable wage?

[Youthiswastedontheyoung]

I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

The majority of the population are unable to do flexible working the way the OP is hoping for. And certainly those that do have that, are doing it for low wages. Not the massive wages OP thinks she is worth.

Why the huge age cap with your children

Yep, it’s usually a choice between flexibility and money. Most people don’t get to enjoy both but op seems to think she should be able to have all the benefits of flexible working and part time working but with the money others get from putting in the hours to climb the career ladder or by working an inflexible job or a less rewarding job. She needs to weigh up what matters most as clearly she’s frustrated that part time plus flexible work doesn’t pay enough.

@ludicrouslycapaciousbags What on earth does this have to do with anything?!!!

That's shit. Tradespeople get more than that. I'm not saying tradespeople get paid too much. I'm saying you are surely as skilled in your field as a plumber or electrician is in theirs.

I agree. I pay my cleaner £15 ph and whilst lovely, she's not particularly skillled, her English is terrible and I have to direct her as she's doesn't have a lot of initiative

You deserve more

So 21 years of experience as a teacher is worth £16 ph?

I'm assuming as a supply teacher there is no sick pay or holiday pay. It's shit

Top of Band 7 NHS is over £52k. It's a decent wage. Quoting net rate is irrelevant (although I get people are doing it because the OP has). NHS staff are likely paying pension also which is a huge benefit. A trade persons net rate will be less also of course.

This whole thread is ridiculous. You can't compare net hourly rate with minimum wage which is gross. Over £21 ph is a good wage, that is what the OP is earning if she got £140 for 6.5 hrs work.

Oh and to put that £16/hr into context - again going all the way back into the mists of time, in 1994 so thirty years ago, I was paid £20/hour for teaching Adult Education courses. Very lucrative.
You will find on Indeed or via your agent that there are online tutoring opportunities being advertised all over. £20-£40/hr. A relative of mine teaches virtually abroad.
It's not for me OP - I hate Teams/zoom/visualisers/sharing screens and it's back to prepping and writing materials*, but it might be for you as you could wfh. How much per hour though is the million $ question. It might not equate to what I was on back then.
I saw a tutor doing 1-1 science in Ikea last night! I was tempted to ask what the set-up was but restrained myself.
*Interestingly, I keep bloody well seeing jobs for evaluating AI. Other jobs that keep coming up include Online SEND tutors, Admissions Sales Associate for virtual academies, customer sales for educational books. Plus ca change...

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She isn't paid £16 ph, she is paid £21.54. The £15 you pay your cleaner is before deductions.

If you look up thread, the OP in reality is getting iro £24 take home pay an hour. Your self employed cleaner isn't actually getting all that as take home pay once you put tax and ni into the equation.

How much do you think a tradesman gets in take home wages per hour? Bearing in mind the personal financial expenses they have just in tools.

Well compared to Australia, you are being massively underpaid. My husband is a supply teacher in Australia, he gets around $AUD90 per hour. When he works a day in the public school system he gets paid for 5 hours per day, and in the private system he gets paid for 6 hours per day. So per day, depending on the school, he gets $AUD450-540 per day, which when converted to pounds sterling is 230-275 pounds per day.

@ARealitycheck No, nowhere close in terms of take home pay.

Was your pay different from advertised? It seems as though it came as a shock.

Haven't RTFT but depending on demand in your local area, might private tutoring (after school/evenings) be more flexible/profitable than supply teaching?

Speaking of flexibility lots of high earners (on MN) say once they reach a certain level of seniority they have more flex over their hours, or how their day goes....but I guess there's the bit in between where you are working up to that, where there isn't any (and of course that's not universally true of all jobs/industries.)

@Youthiswastedontheyoung

Just always find it interesting why people have more children than they can afford, yours particularly with the large age gap hence why I asked

Most cleaners are paid cash in hand so no deductions.

@ludicrouslycapaciousbags Nasty. Pure nasty. Am I living off benefits or in receipt of any government help.for that matter?
One of my babies died and years later I fell pregnant with my new husband due to a pill failure. He adores his one and only child.
You'll be delighted to know he's had a vasectomy since.

A copy/paste from my initial reply to the thread.

If the OP is doing intermittent supply work I hope it is not Maths she is teaching. I'm going to base the following on her working 100 out of the 190 available days for supply teaching.
£140 x 100 days= £14,000 gross
Tax Allowance = £12.570
Tax Payable per Year= £286
Net pay for year = £13,600
Now lets factor in hours worked. 100 days x by 5.5 hours allowing for breaks= 550
Net pay £13.600/550 hours = Just a smidgin over £24.70 per hour. Bloody good wage I would say.

If we work it out at you doing the maximum available 190 days, giving you your tax allowance. Your hourly rate still works out at £21.69.

Not correct.

Where is his location? Many parts of Australia have a cost of living double the UK.

Basing it on your £140 per day. That is what the figures work out at. If you have more deductions it must mean you are paying into pension schemes which in all likelihood means you are getting an employed persons wage with holiday and sick pay.

After tax. 42k a year is good money for a teacher without management responsibilities.