To think this is an unacceptable wage?

[Youthiswastedontheyoung]

I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

@ARealitycheck No supply teacher gets holiday and sick pay!!! Surely you.know that?

@Biffingtonclyro How are you calculating this figure?

We're in regional Queensland, about two hours drive from the state capital. I don't know much about cost of living in the UK, but I doubt it would be twice as much here. We own our home but I just googled and the average weekly rent here is $AUD400 per week, which is around 200 pounds.

@OneTitWonder I'm moving to Aus!

I'm pretty sure OP said they would be working 1 day/week suppy so that can't be more than half the available teaching days.
And 8.30-3.30 is more than 5.5 hrs even if there is an hour for lunch, which would change the hourly rate

Well if you have no deductions my previous figures still stand. In fact if you are in a self employed roll. I don't understand why even the tax deductions are being taken.

@ARealitycheck So now you think supply teachers are self-employed and don't pay tax?!!!

That means she is in for 7 hours a week, even if I were generous and said she only had 1 hour of breaks that is a 6 hour day for £140. At that rate there will be NO taxable deductions unless there is income coming from elsewhere. That is still over £23 per hour. Just as my name says, I suggest a reality check.

Check my figures. It shows your tax liability at several income levels. But using the one day a week the previous poster said. If that is all you work, you will pay no tax.

@ARealitycheck I am not self-employed. I have another pt job. I pay tax. Pension taken too.
What are you finding tricky to understand?

Everyone's hourly wage is calculated before tax! You just wanted to play people for fools by saying you're on £16ph when you're not. That's your after tax hourly rate.

She's on over £23 an hour before tax. If her other income brings her down to £16ph whatever she is doing there is extremely well paid. Or as she has just added, is getting deductions for paying into a pension and most likely holiday pay also.

Total rubbish being spouted by OP here.

@ARealitycheck Never mind. Supply teachers all get holiday pay(!)

£140 a day divided by 6 hours is £23.33. You can't dress it up any other way.

I agree OP that it does seem pretty low.

Wages in this country are deliberately kept low to try to keep us little people in our places.

Being self employed is the only way to make high earnings.

Quite

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Is that inside ir35 @Youthiswastedontheyoung?

£45k is £138 net outside ir35.
£40k is £124 net outside ir35.
£35k is £110 net outside ir35.

No £35k is a poor income with your quals and experience, but I don't know what level of teacher you are covering. I assume if your a head if dept you'd get more money to cover their job.

Perhaps you should look for work where you can use your skills in a company eg in learning and development. Companies tend to be more flexible about part time work and also work from home when you need to. I know an education supplier I've just carried out work for employed ex teachers to create education learning aids/toys/games.

Hope this helps.

Are you being purposefully obtuse? “Teacher” is irrelevant. It’s the nature of your employment contract.

Do you think people on this thread don’t understand the difference between being a permanent employee on PAYE, self-employed, or a temp through agencies. “Teacher” could be any of those.

The reality is that however you dress it up, supply or support staff are often on 13K-18K actual, which is a pittance compared with the qualifications of many of them. You can only earn more by doing exam-marking/inclusion playworker/summer schools etc in the holidays.
If you're in an academy and have been drafted in without any teaching qualifications then perhaps you'll feel less shafted "supervising."
You can only make it work as a Supply by negotiating/haggling or it being a double income, no kids situation. There is no stability there if you want true flexibility/freedom and you are waiting on a 7.15-8am call.
If you know you're going to be Supply no. Double Figure in a well-known failing school, you personally dread that call.
Behaviour across the UK has deteriorated in the last few years - the current year 11 were affected by Covid closure in year 7. The current year 7 in year 2.
The literacy gaps are huge and the inability to do the basics (sit in a seat/listen/speak to others respectfully) is telling. Dysregulation is rife.
Anyone deemed supply/ a substitute/not a proper teacher is treated the worst - even when you know the kids you have to work twice as hard at controlling them. Behaviour can be out of control (moaning noises, spitballs, aeroplanes, pens being lobbed - you name it, I've either seen it or experienced it).
Supply is both an eye-opener and a baptism of fire.
I'd bloody love it if all members of OFSTED, all line managers and all members of the public who see it as glorified babysitting were forced to do one week of it a year...
...then we'll talk numbers!
(I do it as I have to have a term-time only job with no extra responsibility as I'm a single parent with two ND children. I also do like young adults and want the best for them. I am the best <cue Tina Turner>. What I'm not is a miracle worker. I am also massively underpaid. You're all very welcome <removes chip from shoulder>.
It was me that looked after your vulnerable kids in bubbles in Covid times, kept my school open in striking times and had covid not once, not twice but four times in a two year period (tested).
to me. I AM SIGMA!

Absolutely. My partner is in construction and pays his labourers more than I make. But then, he would argue that manual labour should pay more and I don’t disagree. Those guys are breaking their backs (quite literally). My parter is 45 and is on a list for a hip replacement. Comparatively, my job is quite easy albeit I am responsible for the health of the general public… It’s very hard to quantify who should be paid, haw much and for what.

More that £42k a year each?

OP has purposely tried to mislead people, her hourly rate is either over 21 or 23 per hour depending on whether she is paid for 6/6.5 hrs in that day. £16 is after tax/ni etc so is meaningless.

You seem to have an unrealistic view of how the world works
Just because you have a degree ,masters and experience does not automatically equate to lots of money
Lots of people with degrees don't earn much ,and lots of people without degrees earn lots
20 years ago I was a newly qualified solicitor earning £40 k
If I had stayed in that role I would probably be on about £55 k
Instead I worked my way up to equity partner by ( selling my soul) putting the hours in ,business development ,mentoring staff

Yes, their salaries work out at about 46k and, since they don’t have student loans to pay, they take more of it home. And that’s just labourers. Sub-contractor electricians and plumbers can easily bill us £600 for half a day of work.