To think this is an unacceptable wage?

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I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

You would struggle a lot less if you worked full time. You haven't worked full time in years have you? You weren't even a teacher until September were you?

@Fluufer Read previous comment re work/life balance as a ft teacher. Zero.

Then I suggest you look for a full time job away from teaching

I think you're a little delusional about other jobs tbh. There's always compromise. I can't think of any that are generously paid, low stress and don't require overtime. At best pick 2 of those. If such a job did exist, we'd all be clamouring for it.
Is it really worth the amount of angst it seems to be causing you?

If the OP is doing intermittent supply work I hope it is not Maths she is teaching. I'm going to base the following on her working 100 out of the 190 available days for supply teaching.

£140 x 100 days= £14,000 gross
Tax Allowance = £12.570
Tax Payable per Year= £286
Net pay for year = £13,600

Now lets factor in hours worked. 100 days x by 5.5 hours allowing for breaks= 550

Net pay £13.600/550 hours = Just a smidgin over £24.70 per hour. Bloody good wage I would say.

Oh and that's before any in work benefits she may get like child tax credits and more if hubby is too unwell to work.

Have you thought about working in HE? Teaching on teacher training courses. Something like these?
https://www.jobs.ac.uk/job/DKQ258/associate-pgce-primary-tutor-teaching-and-scholarship
https://www.jobs.ac.uk/job/DKQ323/part-time-lecturer-in-primary-initial-teacher-education
Even sending a c.v or emailing local universities could get you some visiting lecturer (equivalent to supply) hours. Can be £30 - 45/hour.

You’d earn far more doing a weekend morning of private tuition.

My husband is unwell but still working at the moment. Work have made necessary adaptations - they've been amazing.
Zero credits.

For someone with 21 years professional experience, an under-grad and post-grad qualification, I’d expect a more sophisticated response than this.

That aside.

I’m a co-opted school governor so not a teacher but understand the dynamics of school budgets and recruitment and retention crisis, all of which impact pay. We spend a ton on agency; some agencies pay to the level of experience and some don’t.

In my working career I’m in a leadership role. I don’t know anyone, in any sector, who progressed to that by being part-time and then in effect contracting at a mid-junior level. (I’ve also been a contractor). Whilst I am sympathetic to teachers, you are also hugely misrepresenting what 21 years experience equates to and why you get the day-rate you do.

Finally. Find something else. In my area private tutors are half your day rate per hour.

But based on my above figures of you doing supply you are still on an exceedingly good hourly wage. Basically twice minimum wage.

Really? £70 an hour for tutoring?

When you work in a temporary role, you get paid the rate they are offering. If you believe you are worth more don't take the assignment.

I agree it's not a high wage but it's what they are offering and more than many get paid including me, and I have a degree and a diploma too

@Enchente In your experience, why do you believe there is a teacher recruitment and retention crisis?

Yes really. I’ve seen anything from £45-65 for secondary maths tutoring. South-East. There are multiple websites, easily to find.

I think op teaches primary so I think this level would be a bit of a push

You’re a teacher not a brain surgeon. Ask some GPs what they are earning because of the use of PAs. Stop banging on about your qualifications. A degree is second to none these days and a PGCE takes a year if I remember correctly. You are being incredibly disrespectful.

From the numbers I can garner just in this short time. There are actually roughly 200,000 more teachers today than there were 20 years ago. An increase of around 57%. Yet the population growth in the same period is approximately 16%. So we actually have more teachers per population today.

@Thepurplepig GPs earn what an hour, roughly? Genuinely interested.
Not sure you mean "second to none" here?

OP - do you realise that if you are already working 2.5 days you will be using up all of your personal allowance on that salary and therefore you will be paying proportionally more tax on your additional earnings? That may go some way to explaining the different rates of pay.

So very roughly if you take home £1400 I'm going to estimate you pay about 8% pension contributions no other deductions which would mean your gross salary is about £20,000 (or £40,000 pro rata). You don't pay any tax on the first £12,570 that you earn, then you pay 20% on anything up to about £50K. So in your 2.5 days per week job you are only being taxed on about £7430 pa, so you'll be paying about £1486 a year or £123 a month.

On any earnings above that you're going to pay tax at 20% so if you went up to full time at your 2.5 days job you wouldn't double your earnings because instead of paying £123 a month tax you'd be paying about £456 a month. Your take home pay would be about £2500 assuming again an 8% pension, and would be even less if you still owe student loan because repayments would kick in on a higher salary.

So on your £112 you're probably paying about £28 tax plus about £12 national insurance which brings you to £152, but if you are also having pensions and student loan deducted your gross pay would more like £170 per day.

We both know the answer to that question already.

I can’t speak for all teachers but in my experience it’s not just pay. It’s also not just the hours. It’s poor behaviour (student and parents); incredibly high levels of SEN with no support; ridiculous targets and unrealistic curriculum expectations. When you combine those factors it’s problematic.

But the fact is you’ve been part-time for a chunk of your career. You also don’t work in a permanent role so will never get the benefits of progression instead getting all the benefits of flexibility - that’s how contracting works, teaching or otherwise.

What are you hoping from this thread? I think the best thing for you would be a careers advisor or counsellor. Very MN thing to say but you’re obviously in a difficult situation and lashing out.

@Enchente At least we both agree that teaching is utter shit.
I don't agree that part-time teachers should be discriminated against. That's another reason why lots of mothers are leaving the profession too. In addion, Its inflexibilty is also very challenging with parenting.

I didn't realise that it was means tested in England. It's not where I am in Scotland where anyone over the age of 16 can apply and local authorities and housing assocations usually use a points based system to allocate. My mistake for assuming it would be the same elsewhere in the UK.

It doesn't include sick pay or holiday pay, so it's not the equivalent of a 45K permanent job.

A quick google shows GP average wages to work out at around £36 per hour before tax or £24.60 an hour after tax. Still think your wages are crap?