To think this is an unacceptable wage?

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I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

I reported my own post the thread had moved on and I assumed I'd posted in the wrong place opps!

So are some people in hotels/hostels.

@SabreIsMyFave I would quite like to take advantage of uc and social housing if I get my rent paid and I don't have to work.

What did you earn gross? About £20? Its a shorter than full time day.

Supply has a lot less responsibility than a permanent role, so its less well paid.

Ps the experience is not relevant if its not needed. You don't need a 21 years experienced person to do a supply role for a day. You would manage fine with a teacher 3 or 4 years in.

You would be better off getting a regular job on the days you don’t work.

Supply is ok when you’re starting out or if you need to flexibility but it’s not the best financially and it’s extremely stressful.

All of the supply jobs I’ve known are £100-£130 a day which is pretty shocking considering his stressful it is, it’s last minute and it’s not regular hours.

In other professions, supply/locum staff get paid much more than a regular salary.

I still think pay is appalling for a degreed professional. My opinion but as others have said, I can make same/more cleaning.

@Wonderi I agree. What sort of regular job on the two days I'm not direct teaching is the question? I know it would mean I do the rest of my class teacher work over the weekends and evenings but that might have to be.

On paper, i earn £35/h net.
But i do way more hours than im supposd to. I have a 2.1 degree from a top 5 uni, a highly regarded professional qualification and 20 years experience, none of which is part time etc.

Have you thought about retraining? The money is really good working in areas like accountancy, VAT, risk/regulatory. The workload can be quite intense. You need to be very fast at reading and maths, have a good memory, write well, be skilled with computers, & be willing to work some long hours as required. Tempted?

I still think pay is appalling for a degreed professional.
Too many people have degrees and aren't actually using the higher academic skills gained from their studies in their workplace. This devalues having a degree. The secretaries at my work all have degrees.

@Chan9eusername No thanks! Those jobs would bore the crap out of me!! I love working with kids, but teaching is no longer about that as much as it was 20 years ago.

I think the problem with your original post is that in the current climate, 35k for a job where you finish by 4.30 latest and have no other responsibilities is not bad or shocking at all.

Are teachers badly paid? Of course. But are they worse off than most others? I wouldn’t say so.

And forget even thinking that the council will give too hoots about how many kids you have cramped in a room!

The days of adequate (or even available) social housing are long gone.

Yes your pay’s shitter than it should be, but in comparison to most…it’s not that bad.

To be fair supply is just babysitting. No planning no marking no follow ups no meetings no assessments. For a walk in walk out job it's a fair wage

If you think supply teaching is "just babysitting", why not give it a go yourself? I delivered maths, English, history and RE to a class of 30 unknown kids at my latest school - a number of which had SEN - on my own and loco parentis.
Good luck!

@Bex5490 No idea where this figure comes from as someone else has said!

It’s actually so hit and miss.

One day you might get a lovely class - great planning and an easy day.

The next it could be 30 really difficult kids, the teacher’s left no work and you’ve got to stop some little nutters from having a full blown riot!

1 hour and you never have to see them again! Not quite the same as regular teaching is it

1 hour?! Not in primary…

What on earth is 1 hour?!!!

* No thanks! Those jobs would bore the crap out of me!!*

Don't whinge about the pay you are on then. Teaching tends not to pay well because working with children can be rather enjoyable. You get paid more if you are willing to do something boring no one wants to do.

There isn't a minimum household income to qualify for social housing.

They will ask for proof of earnings or income though when you apply. Its doubtful you'd get 4 bed but certainly a 3 bed is more common place.

In my are the one beds are the most required and takes an average of 4 months with bidding every week

whereas a 2 and 3 bed is average of 2/3 months with bidding each week

rent is around 60% of private rental for council properties and around 75% of private rental for housing association

A teacher is paid for their brains/qualifications and classroom management;

A cleaner is paid for their energy, application and elbow grease;

The person stacking shelves in Asda overnight (mentioned earlier) is paid for their physical exertions and a supplement for their willingness to work overnight in a chilled environment - which many people wouldn't do;

Going to university doesn't necessarily pay more on average than driving a HGV or being a self employed gas fitter but many people who go to uni hope to earn a decent living without anti social hours, hard physical work in the cold or having to spend time crawling around on their knees - this does depend on the degree of course e.g. those who study medicine/nursing who will be doing hard physical graft as well as brain work. People in non physical "white collar" work will probably find it easier to work into their 60s than those laying bricks in all weathers.

In answer to what people on the thread do I am a support worker for adults with learning disabilities. My grade is about 50p over minimum wage but I get a supplement for working nights. I love my job. I have a (now very old) degree and Msc that are entirely irrelevant to my job. Our housing is cheap and I wish more people had affordable housing so they had more choice what they would like to do for a living.

My son wants to study music at uni and be a musician. It made me laugh to read that people with a music degree on average earn less than people without a degree at all but what a wonderful environment to immerse himself in. Very "do something you love and you'll never have to work a day" but it is a worry if music will allow him to buy and maintain a home. Perhaps one day he will have to compromise his passion to get a regular salary.

Can you not see how disgusting your attitude is to others. For some reason you think your better then others and look down on anyone who doesn't have a degree or doesn't have a job. People have very different lives and very different lives and social issues. You can't compare one person to another because everyone's life is so unique. It's been a long time since I heard such judgemental comments and it's actually concerning that a person with your views are teaching children and potentially passing these personal views on.

@Differentstarts I do think it's unfair that I work as a teacher but struggle financially, whereas many others don't work and get their housing paid for/can afford to go on holidays. If that makes me judgemental then so be it. Even as a single mum to two small boys I worked. No excuses.

No excuses, seriously. You can't think of one reason why some people can't work. Maybe if you open your mind a little bit beyond yourself you might be able to figure it out