To think this is an unacceptable wage?

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I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

public sector, degree and masters, 19 years experience, £34k fte

You might be able to earn more as a self-employed cleaner. However, where I live the gross rates for employed cleaners are less than the net rate you have been paid.

No you’re not considered overcrowded. You’ve got 3 bedrooms and 3 kids, someone can share.

Private sector, consultancy, full time pay is £70k (I work 4 days so less actual pay). To get here I’ve gone for promotions and taken on management responsibilities. We’re contracted for 40 hour weeks so more hours than most public sector roles. We get less holidays and lower pension contributions compared to public sector too.

I used to get more than that waitressing.

Waitressing and cleaning are a lot harder work than supply teaching!

@Cleanedoutnow With respect I disagree. I also have a degree which I don't believe is necessary for waitresses or cleaners? I'm also loco parentis for 30 kids.

Have you done either?

She needs the flexibility for her DH who is unwell, plus three kids. It's in the OP.

@Fluufer Cleaning, yes. How much teaching experience do you have?

Professional cleaning? I never said I have teaching experience.

I think it is an unacceptable salary for a qualified teacher and that comes from someone who earns less. It should pay more

Also bear in mind I'm paid as CT for 2.5 direct teaching days. I work many hours outside of those.

You don't get paid for lunch, it's not directed time. So it isn't really 7 hours per day paid, more 6 and a bit. Supply pay is shocking though, I'm not excusing it. Unless you're Maths or Science and you can really push for a better rate as they need you more. I know people who will not budge under £150 a day - remember, every penny more you get, the less profit the agency make. They charge the school the same!

But it's not teaching it's supply work. We've all had supply teachers and know what their like. Stick a video on don't kill anyone and your good

@Differentstarts You're on the wind up now.

You said you had approx £40 already?!

Yeah, I’m not offended and I’m going to agree with you on that one.

Yup it’s pretty rubbish. I’ve been both a supply teacher and now I book supply teachers for my school sometimes. The issue is the cut the supply agencies take. We might pay £200 for a supply but it’s up to the agency how much of that they pass on to the teacher.

I found that when I’d been supplying for a while and schools were requesting me I could negotiate a bit more with the agency. They don’t look at class room experience as worth much until you prove you’re a good supply teacher because the skills needed are different.

I don't think a job needing a degree necessarily makes it harder or more skilled. It's harder to get into but not necessarily harder to do. I needed a degree to become a paralegal but I don't necessarily think that I can claim that it makes me more valuable than a cleaner. Lots of other people have law degrees too after all.

Cleaning to the standard at my office is not something someone could just turn up and do. Everything is pristine in ways I could never achieve and they manage to do it all in about an hour. I refuse to believe it's less skilled than my job just because it was learned by doing rather than by studying.

Not at all supply teaching and a permanent teaching post are not the same. I use to love it when I was a kid and had supply teachers it meant no work and could have a laugh with mates. Primary school the rainy day puzzles and games come out. Secondary it was either a film or just sit and chat with your mates.

bear in mind that your average domestic cleaner won't be working in the same place for 7 hours a day. So they will have to factor in unpaid travelling time (and costs) between jobs for that money, as well as insurance, supplies if needed. A cleaner might be "at work" 8.30-3.30 like you but only be able to charge for 4, max 5 of those hours a day. They will also have to do all their admin, advertising, organising, accounts in their own time, including organising their tax returns.

@Differentstarts I think you'll find times have changed since you were at school.

Hmm, not fantastic. I’ve done cleaning work before for £20 an hour, and now I dog walk for the same amount. But obviously that’s self employed and before tax.

No, I wouldn't consider it an acceptable wage. But surely it isn't coming as a surprise to you? Teaching has never been a lucrative career, supply or otherwise.