To think this is an unacceptable wage?

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I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

@drowninginsick Are you experienced? That's not great. Could you become a barrister? They're loaded!

There's no such thing as minimum income for social housing. It's based on need and you are adequately housed. I doubt intentionally dropping your income will help you jump the queue.

If you've been teaching for 21 years not sure why you're surprised at the low wage

@Fluufer But would it get me in the queue? Could say I'm a sahm?

I hate to break it to you, but the cleaners and ward hostesses in our local hospitals (Merseyside) are paid £16.50 on a weekend/bh after 6pm. Normal wage is £11.50 ph increasing after service length. No degree to pay for and good pension contributions. You can get a contract for 10 hours, but work every day. The support staff earn more than HA's and still have training/promotion opportunities. No wonder we are losing teachers.

@Kneebonefuture I've only been doing supply since September.

@Ponoka7 Thanks. Cleaning is an avenue worth exploring. I'd.be happy to work nights.

I think people see schools as a very old fashioned system. They are prison like. A lot of people didn't enjoy school. I don't think that children should be forced to go.

I think that schools should have a lot more play and fun when they're young. Not constantly learning theory

That's not how it works.

I am not going to repeat most of what has been very reasonably posted here, and I am starting to get a bit confused by the OP's seeming lack of understanding of the real world.

To comment on supply teaching. I did two years of that and I thought it was a brilliant way to kick-start a career. I did two years on a permanent contract, and then had another child and took off 8 years (part of which was abroad with DH's job).

When I realised I needed to contribute financially to the household, I decided to return to teaching. I started out doing daily and then block supply. It was a brilliant way to compress many years of experience into just two. I could dabble with my teaching persona to see what worked, and being in several schools, I could see how different teachers operated and what was good and bad.

In teaching, you don't get paid for experience beyond the 4 or 5 years it takes to get to M6. If you want to progress beyond that, you have to bring something extra to the school or take on extra responsibility. Everyone has pretty much the same educational background going in.

The difference between a good supply teacher and an ordinary one is whether the school asks for you back, and works out a way to release you from the agency. And if you want to move on to greater things, you get a good reference.

If you do just your hours, count the cost, moan about it, and never go the extra mile, you pretty much get what you deserve.

You won't lose anything by applying. As far as I know, there is no minimum income it's just that you may find yourself at the bottom of the priority list.

About 8 years post qualification. I could earn far far more in private practise but I believe in what I do. I appreciate the flexi time to spend with my kids. There's pension too. I think a lot of people are qualified and similar wages I'm surprised to learn teacher expectations are way above some other public sector stuff.

So OP takes £112 home for 7 hours (based on £16 per hour on her own calculations) if she takes £140 for a days work, that means she is on £20 an hour

Slightly different

May I ask what it is you all do in terms of work and pay?

I’m a school administrator - hours have been cut to suit our budget so I currently earn just enough to pay a tiny amount of tax. Hourly rate is a just above the so called living wage.

Supply teaching used to be far more lucrative-it was organised via the council or directly through schools and you were paid to scale. Back when children were entitled to a qualified teacher in front of them all day.

Now, it’s all through agencies who charge schools a fortune and pay teachers as little as they can, just to give themselves as much of a profit as they can.

OP-was it you who was working as an HLTA last year?

You would probably go to the bottom of the queue.

Top of the list would be someone who is currently homeless. Things like disabilities, a current home being in a very poor condition, or overcrowded would get you further up the list.

A family member delivers stationery round a hospital and earns not far off your wage op.
I'm salaried but just worked out my hourly rate and it's £41 gross. I didn't go to uni but I do have a professional qualification.

Truthfully, I see both sides. Of course I would expect more than £16 per hour take home with over 20 years experience etc. But if the supply role could have been covered by a 23 year old with little experience, then the salary paid is based on the requirements for the job that day, not you personally. Hope that makes sense.

@Comefromaway Are we considered overcrowded? If rent goes up we will not be able to pay it. It's a "steal" at £1,150 pm (although CT £270) so I expect landlady will quite rightly raise it.

It doesn't work like that if you went down the benefits route the first thing they would make you do is get a full time job which could be anything so likely minimum wage. Anyone can go on the housing list but even people in high priority groups it can take years to be housed you also could be made to move anywhere in the country and some of the standards of housing are shocking. Your sounding like a real spoilt brat right now. You want to work the bare minimum but want to still be paid more then most.

No, not until your youngest child reaches the age of 10. Even then there will be many families far worse off than you.

And by then the 2 eldest will be adults

Seems fine to me. Although I’m perhaps biased as I would never consider a teacher to be a “professional”

Can I ask why you work 2.5 days as a teacher in a permanent role, and supply for the remainder of the week? (If I have understood correctly?)
Why can you not work more hours in your permanent role? Do you need some flexibility for care responsibilities or something similar?
It seems strange that if that's more lucrative that you don't do that.

The unions have done for schools and any sympathy parents may have had for teachers disappeared. We all have working conditions that could be improved, we all want better pay we all want better pensions we all want better service users/clients but we are all in jobs we chose to be in with salaries that we were aware of before signing a contract. Teachers aren't as special as they think they are.