To think this is an unacceptable wage?

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I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

I don’t get taxed. I work 2x 8 hours per week. So 8 shifts a month

You’re right, it’s not acceptable. All the ones saying it is just goes to show how conditioned we have all become to undervalue our worth.

Had to think about this - a 6.5hour day (assuming you have half an hour’s lunch entitlement) is not a ‘full’ day. Most people work for the same wage over a 7-8hr day (ie until 530). Your take home pay on a 6.5 hr day is £17.69/hr, but doesn’t involve the marking, planning, or any responsibility etc.

The fact that you have 21 years experience is irrelevant. You’ve chosen to do supply because it offers more flexibility to meet family needs and doesn’t involve the out of hours commitments and obligations other permanent staff of the same experience are required to offer.

You can’t have it both ways - you either obtain a full time job with flexible arrangements that might fit around your children/husband in emergency situations, but will obviously require you to commit to the extra responsibility and workload that comes with this, or you accept that your degree and experience are irrelevant as you need flexible, family centric employment which comes at a reduced salary.

I appreciate you have family pressures which are guiding you, but you really cannot rail at a system that prioritises and financially benefits FT permanent staff. You may be better looking at alternative professions where your teaching experience and degree would support you and where, perhaps, you can have a hybrid/WFT set up that works better with your family.

We are all qualified professionals, with degrees, and we earn less.

I agree teachers pay is unfair, in context to reality and how things currently are though, this pay for a supply teacher seems fair.

Whether it’s ‘acceptable’ (to you) is neither here nor there as you don’t actually have room to negotiate. And schools are not paying any teachers according to how they value them, but only according to how much they can afford.

I don’t get taxed. I work 2x 8 hours per week. So 8 shifts a month

It's still your before tax pay though 🙈

A supply head teacher? 140 a day in 1984 is over £600 a day today so I very much doubt it.

You don’t pay tax??

What wage would be acceptable for a part- time locum role with no added responsibilities and the flexibility to have a day of week off whenever you need? Her experience isn't really relevant as she's not a permanent teacher.

OP currently earns about £20 an hour before tax. Doesn't sound too shabby to me 🤷‍♀️

I don’t earn enough. I pay some NI.

I agree, supply agencies are taking a huge slice of money and the piss! Find an agency who will pay for
My DB drives a dumper truck around a building site and gets £180 a day.

For reference my DH works in civil service and is on a lower per hour for a permanent role, 4 years degree 18 years experience. State jobs don’t pay well but supposedly he will get a decent ish pension and he has very little stress/pressure in the role, switches off and can offer our family the flexibility we need. My job in a private sector pays much better but highly pressured. Our family wouldn’t be able to function with 2 jobs like mine.

Then change jobs

The comparison’s that “My cleaner earns that” miss the mark for me. Being a “good cleaner” that the customer is happy with like “4 bed/2 bath house cleaned in a couple of hours - and she wipes the hob” type customer is hard physical work and the cleaner deserves every penny.

I agree anyone who thinks the grass is greener for cleaners should give it a go.

I agree, it’s not a reasonable wage for a teacher. I work as a nanny earning £25 NET an hour and that’s for 2 kids.

so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.

You've traded salary and responsibility for flexibility- as many mothers do at some point. I did. I also left teaching to go back to something better paid that’s aligned to my degree, is that an option for you?

I'm not quite sure what your point is here.
Do you think that people working part time should be paid less for their time?
Do you think that contractors/ locums/ self employed people should be paid less for their time than employed people? The usual logic has been they that self employed contractor types should be paid more per hour because they have none of the security that an employed person has, hence the lower rate of NI.
I can see that point that she is not working in a senior management type role so her experience is probably less relevant, although I would argue that the quality of teaching varies a great deal.

It's interesting watching so many people try and tell the OP she's getting a good wage because it is similar or better than what they are on. It's exactly what the richest people want us to do, fighting over the scraps.

The truth of it is that wages today are a lot lower than they were 20-30 years ago. Ordinary people can't afford to buy houses now not just because of supply issues but because we're not being paid enough whilst the wealthiest cream off higher profits, avoid their taxes and buy the houses that should be ours. The public sector follows the private sector's lead on flatlining wages so everyone is getting poorer.

The truth is hardly any of us are getting paid fairly today. The OP's wage is unacceptable. So is mine. And almost certainly so is yours.

Do you actually need to use an agency as a supply teacher? I can't see why they would add anything for the teacher here.

I totally agree with this. You always get this race to the bottom on these type of threads. I find it really depressing, as I said earlier.
Wages in the UK (for most people, not everyone) are rubbish and nowhere near enough compared to the cost of housing, childcare and other essentials. As you say, we shouldn't be fighting among ourselves as to who is harder done by.

Should be just over £223 gross with qualified status abd tvat experience

You've obviously ever worked in the sector. Tge vast majority expect all teachers to fulfill all duties.

Well then go for a full time teaching position, with all the responsibility that comes with it, and you will get a better wage.

This is what I was wondering. Amounts need to be quoted gross, as tax paid depends on various factors.