To think this is an unacceptable wage?

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I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

It’s actually double minimum wage as op
has incorrectly compared her net rate of £16 with the minimum wage gross rate of £11.

No teachers would take permanent roles if they could have less responsibility and earn more doing supply.

I work at Asda over night snd my pay per hour between 12 & 5am, is £16. So yes, what you are getting is appalling!

But you're getting £16ph before tax she's getting it after tax.

OP's pay is more than that though.

But this is the same in most jobs really. I work in the private sector and it’s the e same where I work, there’s pay grades up to a certain level then if you want to progress further and earn the higher salaries you go for promotions for management roles and leadership. Lots of people choose not to and stay on the technical grades which earn less, there’s some people with 40 years experience on the highest technical grade as they didn’t want to take on the higher responsibilities. It’s just how it is, you get paid for the role you do.

I've worked out people could earn more per hour being a higher level teaching assistant and doing a side hustle compared to the median teacher's salary. Unless they want to make head of year or headteacher, I honestly don't see the benefit of being a teacher anymore.

Not to mention this is premium rate pay for working unsociable hours in the middle of the night which op does not do!

£112 net for 7 hours is a crap wage?

FFS

Give your head a wobble!

I agree that the rate of pay for engineers, who are highly skilled and vital professionals, is very low. I think we have got some things very wonky when you look at who is getting paid extremely well for things that don't really 'add much value' to society and who is getting a low rate of remuneration. The Uni debt is a whole additional discussion but I agree with your comment and am encouraging my DC to consider this very carefully. I think we will see things change a lot over the next few decades, and possibly much earlier.

Most people who didn’t go to uni are nowhere remotely close to 55k though. There’s the odd outlier and of course skilled trade but generally if you lack qualifications your career options are very limited. Our admin people at work are on between 25 and 30k. Loads of them have degrees as well but it’s not a requirement. There’s also no job progression.

Supply rates are based on supply and demand, it varies by subject, area etc.

There are many different types of lawyer. Average salary for a criminal lawyer is £40k.
https://www.simplylawjobs.com/career-hub/articles/career-advice/salary-and-benefits/average-criminal-lawyer-salary-in-the-uk

I’ve spent most of my working life in the public and charitable sectors. Starting salary at 18 was about £7k if I remember rightly. No degree (I’m finishing one now that I’ve done just for the sake of it). Built up professional qualifications alongside a broad range of roles and hit 6 figures by 40.

My career takes equal precedent to my husband’s. I’ve not ever been part-time and he was the one at home homeschooling during Covid while I worked in the NHS.

I have the utmost respect for teachers - both of my parents were - but if you choose a career that only operates for 3/4 of the year, going part time and not taking additional responsibilities, you’ll be earning the same with 40 years experience as you did at 10.

No it isn't decent. I'm betting all those people saying it's a fair wage are topped up with Universal Credit so it doesn't matter what they earn!!!!! because UC makes up the difference.

for comparison, self employed carers in my town earn £20 an hour.

That's really poor, I just checked with my aunty and she did supply in the 80s and got £140 a day, I'm assuming pretax she was a head teacher pre kids tho if that makes a difference. She did two days a week around her kids and they had a very nice life. Her husband never worked after the miners strikes.

Since when was 8:30-3:30 a full day?

I think it’s crap how much teachers are paid. I assume the pension makes up for some of that.

Exactly! I bet there was an hour's lunch in there too!

As a supply you are not doing any extra work. £16 an hour is more then enough to babysit the class.

Plus 8.30-3.30 isn’t a full days work 😂

Completely disagree.

Neither me or my sister have degrees and were at/close to £100k by 40. I was on £60k in the public sector (London) at 24 (over 20 years ago).

Majority of my colleagues earn what they do without having formal qualifications. Aptitude and application are key.

(Things I’ve done well without a degree: public finance, drafting legislation, policy development. All of which have enhanced my career in HR for the last 15 years. I’ve another 15 years ish to go before retirement and have loads of options for high paying jobs in other specialisms.)

It is a pretty rubbish wage for a qualified professional. If you can get supply work directly through a school it can be better. My husband got £25 an hour doing this. Probably works out cheaper for the school as well and many are crying out for decent supply teachers so worth a try.

It’s not, it’s part time hours, especially if there’s a lunch break in there.

for comparison, self employed carers in my town earn £20 an hour.

That's what OP earns as well - £16 is her take home after tax etc.

I expect you will be paying emergency tax/tax on every penny having used all your tax free allowance in your main job. That’s one reason it compares so unfavourably with your main job.

You won’t get paid for your 21 years experience doing supply. It doesn’t require experience like that - colleagues could be doing the same job successfully with a year or two of experience. If you want to be rewarded for your experience you need to go for upper pay scale in your main post or extra responsibility point/ promotion.