To think this is an unacceptable wage?

[Youthiswastedontheyoung]

I'm a qualified teacher with 21 years' experience who has just started supply so flexibility with a poorly husband and three kids of my own.
Just did a full day supply (8.30-3.30) and came out with £112 net.
Hubby thinks decent wage, I think piss-take!
Opinions please!

But it’s not £42k a year. It’s paid hourly or daily. There’s no accrual of entitlements, I assume - sick leave etc. there’s no guarantee of ongoing or regular work (whist incurring childcare and other expenses).

it’s a shithouse wage.

In a private sector you have an option to move around and find an alternative role which will utilise your technical expertise as well as offer a more competitive salary. It's not an option in the public sector where pay grades are set regardless of the team and the hospital you work for. Another issue is that progression within the same team is virtually unheard of. Each time I apply for a higher band job, I have to move to a completely different team, Trust and, on one occasion, city.
I used to work in the private sector and had a lot more flexibility as well as pay progression opportunities within the same organisation. It's only my personal experience, of course.

Yeah I thought that, but didn't want to say it. That poster's aunt has been pulling her leg I think. I find it hard to believe that a supply teacher would have earned £140 a day 40 years ago. (Even a 'head' one!)

As you said, that would be £600 a day in today's money. £3000 a week! That's £156,000 a year! Even if she only got paid over the 39 weeks a year teachers work, it would still be £117,000 a year.

Even in London, the average salary (now) for a head teacher, is around £75,000 a year.

Some people have hazy memories when it comes to some things. Even my own DH claims a man he used to know earned £400 a day as a bricklayer. In 1981-1982. I'm like 'nahhh. He didn't! 😆' He insists he did. That's £2250 a day now! (Nearly £12,000 a week. £620,000 a year!) Nope! No way! Even now the most a bricklayer would earn is £40 an hour - around £320 a day. (£1600 a week/£83,000 a year,) if he worked 5 days a week/8 hours a day.

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I worked supply about 30 years ago now and I'm pretty sure I took home around £100 a day in London.
You're not paid much more than a TA surely? And supply teaching is much more stressful than working as a TA. People say you don't have to plan etc but I often walked into a school where absolutely nothing was planned for the time i was there. I remember walking into one and being left a list of lessons I was supposed to magic up, one on some random aspect of English grammar. Most of the time I didn't know where i was going to be until 7:30 that morning and found out what yr group I had when i arrived.

Yes but the hourly wage OP is getting is equivalent to a full-time year-round professional getting £42kpa. It's reasonable to calculate the annual equivalent because it is a reality-check for the assertion that this is a shit wage. It's a significant amount over the median salary. It's important to translate this number into either an equivalent full-time year-round annual salary (£42k) or an hourly rate (£20-£22 depending on lunch break arrangements) in order to make meaningful comparison with other types of job.

I was a temp in London in the 1980s, and I earned around £52 a day then. (£220 a day in today's money, gross pay.) I knew a supply teacher then, who was on less money than me. Around £37 a day. (£155 a day in today's money (gross pay.) About the same as the OP. It's a decent wage for a supply teacher.

@Tina159 30 years ago wasn't the 1980s though. It was the mid 1990s.

Given there has been 40 years of economic growth and house prices are around 4 times more in real terms than back then, it's slightly disappointing that the wage has not increased at all in that time. Where has all the economic growth gone, we might ask?

I assume these hours also include a one hour lunch break and perhaps 2 x 15 minutes break? So about 6 hours worked? 140 / 6 = £23.33 approx per hour

It's ridiculous that you're expected to have so many qualifications in this country to earn a few pounds over minimum wage. And you should be grateful apparently.

Absolutely.

Yes op it seems low.

No, it’s not. Anyway… keep moving on.

It's after tax and as supply you're not carrying much, if any, of the load.

If you wanted to get rich education isn't the sector.

Jezz. Cake and eat it. The national average wage is £26000. Like another reply...other than a daily responsibility of that day, u walk out and count the moolah. No headaches. Thanks for the cash. I was an agency nurse, similar vibe. Remember you also need to consider that the blend of lifestyle which needs to be added to ur 'paltry' £116

Only saying

Wife of an ex teacher here.

Yes, I would say that is a reasonable wage for your level of responsibility.

So £140 is gross? How many hours? 6 or 7. So it's at least £20 per hour. Not that bad for a temp.

If you don't like the hourly rate don't take the supply work and tell the agency you want more.

If you don't like the pay look for another job 🤷‍♀️

I am a teacher with similar experience so I understand where you are coming from but remember they are not hiring you for your 21years. You could be an ECT. You are a body in a room, particularly on day to day supply. The advantage is you walk out at 3.30 with no marking and planning.

@Youthiswastedontheyoung it equates to about 31K salary. Roughly same as an ECT. To be paid to scale you need to try and find direct work with schools. I doubt an agency will pay much more as they take their slice.

Yes that's an extremely good wage.

No It's actually surprisingly normal
I am also on less than you also with a 4 year degree and 27 years experience
Science.

I have no idea where people get the notion that a degree means you are going to be on 50K+

I can understand you feeling that way, given the amount of time you spent studying for your qualifications, and experience in the field. I'm on approx £15.60 an hour, 10 years within the company but only 5 in the role. No qualifications beyond 3 GCSEs (even they weren't great). I had to graft to get that pay, and am quite happy with it considering the low stress role I have. But I don't think I'd be happy in your position.

This. It’s not a good wage for a professional role with years of training and experience! The fact that people think it is is the problem really!

It is not a shocking wage for the uk but wages in the uk are pretty poor - you have crazy high salaries for the highest earners and much lower salaries than neighbouring countries for the middle and working class. There is an imbalance and we’ve been brain washed to think it’s normal - too much money going to corporations and not enough into worker’s pockets.