Sara Sharif case - update - horrifying

[amIloud]

This case is just beyond the realms of horrifying,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl461xwg3do

This poor child.

I don't agree with the death penalty. This evil man needs to be made to live with the horror of what he has done, and really made to face up to the reality of it. Killing him would relieve him of the guilt that he should have to live with.

The other adults are equally culpable in my view. Whether they perpetrated the violence or not is irrelevant. They let it happen and they all have blood on their hands.

That poor child and her poor siblings.

I used poor phrasing @Tandora
If the father already had a history of abusing former gf’s then he should have been a red flag for custody. In that instance it makes me wonder why he was still awarded custody.

There really does need to be an inquiry into how this man was given custody. And was then allowed to alienate the child's mother and stop her access completely.

I really hope the jury are better looked after than things were 20odd years ago. I sat on a jury for many weeks and heard things similar to this poor jury have heard and then at the end they said "thanks very much. Off you go"

There was no support at all.

It seems like Sara made some serious accusations about her mum, which led to court awarding her to live with her dad (neglect, abuse, etc). There is no way of knowing if it was true or not but as her mum just disappeared out of her life I would say there were problems with her mum, too.

Poor poor little girl. I cant imagine what her life was like. Her dad is a sick fuck who should not be allowed out, ever.

He handily recorderd Sara saying those things (mum burnt me with cigarettes), most likely under threat of punishment.

This is possibly the most horrifying aspect of this case. There was substantial evidence that this man was violent and abusive. If the mother wasn't capable of caring for the daughter, she should have been cared for by the state. Poor Sara was failed by so many people on so many levels. It is heartbreaking to think of what her short little life must have been like.

I read somewhere that one of the key reasons he was awarded custody is because he said Sars's mum could take her back to Poland without his permission. How that can be a reason - I have no idea.

For me it is a complete failing of the system, a system that is also failing others every day now tomorrow and next year. There is something wrong with society that is producing people like him (and others) and allowing them to mislead CAFCASS and the judiciary and for them to be gaining access or custody of the children that are so abused. There is someone not listening and not observing and not reporting. How do we rectify this - what is the answer? Even when in state care children are being failed day in day out - being groomed, being neglected and being unloved.

i genuinely could not be a juror in that trial. I imagine many of them will suffer second-hand ptsd

And that’s exactly why the system should shift to the same ‘judge panel’ system many other first world countries successfully use. Just look at most of Europe. Those people have signed up to hear/see that shit as a job and are well paid for it. Jurors should not have this thrust upon them, especially when people kid themselves juries are the be all/end all. Other countries manage fine, or potentially better (swifter systems) without them.

he liked making videos of things as if he knew he will need them one day

and

seemingly he got custody largely bc of BB.

Bless her. Sara i send you love.

There are some cases that make me truly wish that an eye for an eye was enforceable and we could make these sick .............. (insert whatever word you deem fit in here) suffer every single second of what that poor tot had to suffer.

They are all guilty, I believe he is taking the blame but this is on all of them and I sincerely hope the others don't walk away scot free.

RIP Sara, no more pain

I think he got custody because Sara was physically abused by her mother who was an alcoholic, I read. It's so bloody awful. This poor, poor little girl. How terrified she must have been.

Another serious failing is that the other children are unaccounted for. They should have been made wards of court and retrieved from wherever they're supposed to be.

They also should have been interviewed. If that had happened there would be definitive eye-witness accounts of who was responsible for what.

As it stands I wouldn't be surprised if they don't all walk free.

It's desperately sad.

It made me think of another case. Sarah and Amina, they were teenage sisters in the USA.

Their father was horrendous. He sexaully abused them. The father was egyptian. He wouldn't let them have American boyfriends.

He found out that Amina had a boyfriend and the threatened to kill her. The mother ran away with the two girls to another state . But the dad persuaded the mother to come back. He told the mother that the boyfriend was forgotten about and he wanted to move on as a family.

They came back. He brought his two daughters out in a car and shot them both dead.

Her boyfriend was in the documentary and he showed letters amina had written to him.

The letters said "my dad Is going to kill me. I know he will. When he kills me , I want you not to be upset your whole life, I want you to be happy"

I cried for days after watching it.

At peace now, little darling. I’m so sorry you were failed so badly.

They never do. Judges make these kind of decisions all the time and nothing wver happens.
Everything under guise of 'mum is accusing dad unfaitly of DV. She won't alow him access to the child so to stop that let's award custody to them'.
Women just make these things up in divorce cases 🙄

agreed. She was there with him on the plane.

i am amazed they can’t court order it or access her dental records to understand if there is at least a potential match

The stepmother is nearly as bad. I see all the text she sent saying that he is beating the child really badly.

But she didn't do anything about it.

It's absolutely despicable.

I agree, but I also think there needs to be some consequence for the people who received these messages and did nothing to protect Sara. There needs to be an active duty on all of us to protect vulnerable children in these situations. By turning a blind eye, they too are culpable.

Yep exactly. And now this child is dead and still no outrage about that or accountability. Still on this very thread people are justifying and excusing - “well mother must have been bad too”..

The misogyny and bias runs deep..

Surely they will be exempted from jury service in the future. This case makes me rage and cry and it must be so hard keeping it together in the actual court room although I am sure they are totally professional. I also really feel for the first responders who found that poor child and the people who have collated all the evidence for the trial

Adults like that are always going to abuse children.

People abuse the weak. It's always going to happen. The authorities should have noticed and checked on her.

I've often said that children should just be around each other. They shouldn't be around adults at all. There are so many abusive adults.

The children would be better off all being by themselves in a big play centre, living there, with maybe some very trained and kind adults bringing them in food. And these adults are watched on camera.

i have got the news on now, it is beyond horrific.