I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

Absolutely! The current left terrifies me! Very bleak times ahead.

I be reporting that teacher thats quite scary

What does being on the left mean anyway?

Because the left has nothing to do with social justice and equality. Those things, I practice, only exist in capitalist societies on the right. The left just likes to think it owns this stuff, but in reality left wing ideology is nothing more than hot air, virtue signalling, la la land and spending money that lefties are not creative, smart or brave enough to generate - to, you know…bring social justice to life.

As for wokery, it’s a preserve of the left, because when you have nothing else, you can only trumpet made up nonsense.

The strange thing is that wokesters are so thick that they can’t even keep up the pretence for very long. Here’s a short list.

Air head celebrities flying in to climate protests.

The nonsense COP summit, last year held in Dubai where UAE openly used it to seal oil deals. And this year in one of Europe’s largest oil producers, Azerbaijani which says it cannot reduce oil production because, wait for it, seamen from Europe is too high. You could not make this shit up.

‘Be kind’ brigade that go around terrorising others and are the most vile of all.

Assualting women physically at feminist protests in the name of trans rights.

Telling people do follow the science and then swearing blind that a dude is a woman.

’Anti racists’ who go around calling black and Asian people with right leaning views names like ‘coconut’, calling them fascists, white supremacists and ‘superficially black’.

And here is the latest gem. Archbishop of Canterbury who is more worried about slavery reparations and lecturing the electorate for the House of Lords even though no one voted for him. All the while, it turns out, he was covering up paedophilia in the church. Not very virtuous or ‘kind’, is he?

Its hard to take these loons seriously.

It is confusing that just because you agree on one issue with a political party doesn’t me that you can’t be critical of other issues. Politics doesn’t have to the tribal for the majority of people

I don’t see it as left and right. I see it as extreme, moderate (either in favour of socialism/individualism), and then the majority of people in the centre who agree with both sides in different issues.

Politics especially on social media is usually very extreme that’s how they get heard. As soon as a person starts using buzz words like “woke” or “nazi” then that’s a sign to take everything they say with a pinch of salt because they are trying to scare you into hating the other side.

In general I believe in a socialism is more protective than individualism. However I agree that is that most individuals can do what they want as long as is it isn’t harming others. The limits of what constitutes as harm is where it does get political. Gun ownership is a great example.

You're terrified? What by?

Not a direct response to your post, but as far as the "correct term" thing - isn't the problem that people are so focused on what the supposedly correct term is, and anything else is offensive?

Clearly there are words that people use towards others that are meant to be slurs, but those aren't the kinds of words I mean.

Lots of people, even from the same group, have differernt preferences, but that doesn't make the other word wrong. In the US, some like "black" and some like :African American." And they can use what they like, but it doesn't make the other word offensive or mean the person using it is being inconsiderate.

I think it's really not worthy that "coloured person" was first pushed as a replacement because it was seen as having less baggage. Negro is another example of this, it wasn't an offensive word, it was replaced due to "baggage" There were people who used both of these terms for themselves for decades as a matter of preference, and they became less common as those generations died off.

This insistence that people using old fashioned words are offensive, or that there can be one correct word we are all supposed to use, is just childish. And there is a real naivete in the idea that any word will not acquire "baggage" and constantly changing will solve that problem. It's not changing words that makes a difference, it's changing how people feel towards and understand others.

Making people feel worried about being called out for not using the word of the moment is totally counterproductive as far as helping people feel they share something with those who are differernt from them in terms of race or ethnicity.

It's like reading the daily mail comments using stereotypical language the lefties this and that most can't define Marxism or socialism any way. Plus they think everything that is left of the reform lot are lefties

It's the shit that they say over and over can't define why prob because they don't wanna pay tax

I think the way forward is to ditch the old parties esp labour and tory ...

Or at least to introduce newer ones, hopefully possessed of a little more common sense and a little less ideology

Trouble is the "old" mainstream parties don't want to be sidelined, so anyone who even begins to look capable of running a new one is instantly made a very tempting offer to join an established party, usually with some flannel about how their core principles really do align with the newcomer's and that they can "make that difference" by coming onboard because they'll never get elected as a relative unknown

It's no longer 2019 and the era of 'no debate' is over.

@GenerativeAIBot I feel exactly this. Getting sick of people telling me I’m “far right” now because I recognize that DEI nonsense is racist and divisive, and that a bloke in a dress is still a bloke. I’m relieved that Trump won - never thought I’d feel that way in a million years! Things aren’t great here but the woke virus started in the US where it seems a thousand times worse.

You have articulated what numerous people feel. Well said!

Fuck me this is depressing like I said earlier we can now see in actual real time how people will turn on others and prob happy to send them to concentration camps or just showers in nazi Germany. History will look back. I mean some have even suggested to drown the migrant boats not much difference. Star wars need a new film where you can all bravely in a cinema go cheer the dark side

Yes a poster didn't seem to mind the drownings, nor do Labour and I'm guessing you are a staunch Labour supporter and think they're doing fine on that front.

They do seem to be mucking up all on their own steam. Not everyone wants this stuff.

I really don't think you can claim that labour doesn't mind drownings, because labour have got a problem with that they have to solve it.I agree, but you know what?That's not going to be easy.They've only been in power, not that long

There are rumours Trump will round up illegal immigrants and put them into camps. Similar to what they're already doing on the border but on a much larger scale.

Apparently the military have been in talks about what to do should Trump ask them to turn on civilians.

This.

I’m so tired. So, so, so tired.

I'm guessing you're referring to trans issues. If that is an important political issue to you, of course, you have the right to prioritise that.

The question is: how far are you willing to go towards right wing politics in order to join other anti-trans people? Are you ok with supporting a package of anti-trans and banning abortion? Anti-trans and homophobia more widely? Anti-trans and racism? etc. This is an important dilemma. I think if someone says they are supporting Trump because of gender stuff, for example, they have to accept that they will be associated with his other positions as well, and that others will think of them as right wing.

Wouldn't surprise me, but then again, all these false people that claim they've left the left would enjoy it, wouldn't they or the socially conservative people? It's a d* shame though that these sort of people like to hide on the internet. I mean, to be fair, we do know they are there because they went and rioted. This year try to burn asylum seekers in hotels. I'm sure some of these people on the internet that are talking right now would secretly agree with that, but that's how disgusting and despicable these people are. And you know what?Anna sort of person that would be the first to go in the concentration camp because i've got a loud gob, and i'm quite happy to tell people to the face what disgusting vile creatures they are

How exactly do you think Labour are going to stop the people traffickers and gangs in France? Ask nicely - give them a rainbow sticker if they are jolly nice and stop drowning babies and children in our sea?

They are completely ill equipped to deal with the real world

Or what about actual women dying in texas because of him pack in the Supreme Court full of judges, and that state deciding they will ban. Abortions, but I get told that doesn't happen yet. The news stories have showed it has happened, but these are so called women that give a s* about other women pull the other one

I tell you what who isnt equpped The conservative party did a great job, didn't they?Not
Tge reform party well they will probably blow up the rnli boats as they have a problem with them saving drowning people

@crackofdoom
Corbyn made "Lily" Madigan a Women's officer.
Their bromance showed many women what the Left thought of us.

I'm not in the US and I don't see the UK being anti abortion, not that it's been a consideration for a vote. Same sex marriage was also a policy from the conservatives under Cameron. If the leaders at the Remembrance Sunday had only been Labour they would have all been white males. My vote isn't a US one, but a UK one.

Btw it's pro women not 'anti trans'.

And progressive policies to me would be to progress for women and girls not for men.