I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

Corbyn is really old, looks like a dirty old perv. Has he got more Right with age??

I think he’s got more wrong.

It seems the pp overlooks the drowning part. It's Labour's policy after all so all good.

No no no sweetie. Stop getting so upset. I was responding to this post:

GenerativeAIBot · Today 17:26
I've aged, but I don;t believe my positions have changed at all. I believe the left as a whole has moved towards identity politics and victim culture.
I object to "women of colour" for so many reasons it hurts but...
It reduces us to gross appearance
it paints coloured people as victims
it presumes only coloured people receive racism
What colour?
What shade?
North African's (say Egyptians?)
South Africans?
Australians?
No. What it really means is "not north european" and it comes with an implied layer of guilt and shame for being so, and it completely omits every other "white" person who also receives a lot of racism, Eastern Europeans for one obvious example.
Identity politics is wrong. Always. We are more than our skin colour.
The left leaning into identity politics and victim culture is why I'll vote for Kemi if I get the chance.

To which I responded:

Many people don't like the term 'coloured people' OP. I'm surprised you don't know this.

The left do not support basic democracy. They are prone to silencing and using insults to do so, and degrading other views. The absolute refusal to even hear another view. The chummy club that supports this echo chamber whilst complaining about nepotism. The hypocrisy about expenses, access for cash and all the rest. The horrendous blatant disregard of women and girls. The insistence of making anyone that isn’t British a victim to pity. Ditto calling wealthy young economic migrants ‘refugees’ therefore conflating the two and making it even harder for those genuinely in need. I am utterly sick of them. They seem outdated, left behind.

As a "coloured person" I'm so glad you've come along to tell me what language I should use to describe myself so as not to make you uncomfortable ❤️

Beautifully put, Rollercoaster1920
If the extremists of every stripe stopped shouting even briefly they might just notice that "quiet majority", but they seem to prefer telling everyone else how stupid they are so it still comes as a surprise when the majority speak up

Like to know who this was directed at and why?

You're most welcome ❤

This. The rise of anti Semitic hate is truly concerning, thank you for acknowledging it.

Members of both Labour and Tory parties are the most radical ( although admittedly some of the Radical Left have gone to the Greens under Starmer). The demographic of both party memberships is overwhelmingly White men over 65.

If you find yourself agreeing with a lot of right wing positions on social matters, then you are right wing in terms of social issues. I'm not sure why so many people on this thread find that hard to accept about themselves, and why this basic truth must mean that it's "left politics" as a whole that is defective. You are just not socially progressive. That's fine. I thought we were all about not stigmatising right wing views, and, unlike the extremist lefties, accepting that they are valid and civilised? So why are you outraged to admit you are socially right wing yourselves? Weird.

In my view, left-right is a pretty simplistic view of political positions anyway. There is a libertarian to authoritarian axis, there is an axis from reactionary to progressive, social and economic issues are not grouped together necessarily in how people position themselves, and so on. Most people's views are a mixed bag.

I was talking to the op ❤️

'Socially progressive' to the left might be in the wrong direction, eg harmful to women and girls

So you might want progress but not that

Oh that explains nothing. Very on point.

I assumed you were another outraged from Tunbridge Wells. Coloured people WTAF?

100%

100%

Yes, i think I read somewhere that alot of young people support Reform as they have utilised Tiktok etc alot more. I think the way forward is to ditch the old parties esp labour and tory as they have made our life worse and the country poorer/more in debt for the last 20 years so what theyre doing isnt working. We need new parties (not an advert for Reform as I support the SDP).

Dunno wot the world is comin to carnt even call ppl coloured anymore

I have started to think the likelihood is that the right, or conservatives specifically, are the most likely to really take up workers rights positions in the next few years.

Right wing parties seem more and more to be looking at policies that benefit workers. Reducing immigration is of course the one we saw first, traditionally a left wing policy. Also things like tariffs or encouraging local industry more strongly - not always in the most effective way, IMO, but clearly these are the kinds of policies that are traditionally meant to protect workers.

Outside of the UK there have been some indications of right parties in some places being more favorable to union types of legislation. - in Canada the Tories there last year declared support for unionization in their policy declaration, for example.

Political correctness gone maaaad I tell ya.

I used to wonder how Hitler managed to persuade a bunch of Germans to tell on their Jewish and gypsy etc neighbours to actively be on with them going to concentration camps but now I don't need to wonder any more.
It seems to me. There's quite a lot of people that would probably watch Star Wars and route for darth vader while most of us route for the rebels gone over to the dark side have you mmmm
No there is absolutely nothing g and I mean nothing that woukd get me siding with trump or his disgusting maga lot. The same goes for those that like the new conservatives, oh, shall I say. Reform?Because ultimately, they are now going so far to the right?It's unbelievable.
So you cite all this is because of what you believe is happening because of transgender issues, except for isn't it? Funny that many gender critical types seem to be okay now.With donald trump, except for look at the policies he's doing to women, women are literally dying in texas. That state decided to ban abortions under his last term if putting extra republican judges in supreme court.
I am 44 and I don't side with hate and I woukd take a ping hard look at myself if I became so dam socially conservative that I side with those that vote against gay marriage, against realising that equality isn't there yet. Wow

They seem outdated, left behind.

Add celebrities and all the Democrat stuff, plus just ignoring anything like drownings weekly for some reason as pp did, just because it's by Labour

Agreed.

However my 14 year old daughter tells me her form tutor has been telling them all that he is a Trump supporter, that his win is a win for common sense etc and that anyone who says otherwise is "playing the man not the ball" and not thinking it through etc . (We are in UK)

This pains me.

Absolute bull shit under trumps last term his tax breaks benefited the rich. Rupert murdoch who you know big media mogul demonising unions over here. Trump didn't even go to a union factiry in his last term When union workers found that out, they didn't vote for him.
Apparently if uou r in an union uou r not a worker according to the torys