I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

Ah, I see you're only talking about people fleeing war who should be offered asylum? Would you like to stop asylum for people fleeing persecution on grounds of say, sexuality, religion, political views etc? Or don't they count? Because the refugee convention begs to differ on that.

What am I talking about? I quoted your question and my answer is beneath it, I would have thought what I was talking about was pretty self explanatory.

The rest of your questions make no sense. What are you talking about?

Be clear. Are you only relying on channel crossings as they make passage difficult?

It's highly unlikely given how difficult it is to get to the UK, that we will be so inundated with asylum seekers we can't possibly help.

This line suggests you'd like it to remain that difficult, is that the case?

This isn't a court of law and I am not under cross examination.

Do I think we should continue to process asylum seekers in the UK? Yes.

Ha nice deflection. I see the issue for you. It's a tough one. Keep it to just boats and deaths and passage will be difficult enough to stay lower, but it's not great. It's hard to excuse drownings each week

it exposes a flaw in your reasoning

No it doesn't. Your posts are full of misinformation and assertions/speculation presented as facts.

And your patronising replies don't make them true, or using tactics like saying 'you're upset' to try to discredit others.

I think many people, including you, don't know what 'providing safe routes' actually means. It means establishing schemes much like in the case of Ukraine which provide means for people to come here by invitation. It doesn't mean opening some floodgates.

Your definition of 'realism' is not fact. I actually don't think you know much about this beyond what you have read in the Daily Mail.

First ten minutes of this is worth listening to on this subject https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/making-sense-episodes/391-the-reckoning

I've said 'and persecution' many times here if you bother to read the thread.

No, it's your hectoring manner I object to. I know what your answer is, strip people of their human rights and stick them in some developing country in indefinite detention.

Basically all that you have posted there applies to your posts.

You are missing that international law exists, you cannot limit to schemes such as Ukrainian one and stop people arriving by any method outside that. That law will still exist, unless you exit that, are you aware of that?

Ditto it's your hectoring manner I object to.

I know what your answer is, keep channel crossings going and ignore the deaths. I cannot see why that gives you any high ground.

Yet more assertions presented as facts.

Read here as to what could be done, for example:

1. Invest in resettlement schemes, asylum visas, and family reunion schemes which all offer regular and orderly routes to protection for refugees. Expanding commitments to resettlement places, for example by providing an additional 10,000 refugees a year under the UK Resettlement Scheme, would provide a lifeline for refugees facing extreme vulnerabilities.

https://www.rescue.org/uk/article/what-are-safe-routes-refugees-four-common-myths-explained

It's the old Tory trick of accusing people of your faults or are you beyond Tory now? Britain First?

It gives me a high ground because first I respect international law and human rights and secondly I believe it's a complex problem that isn't solved by easy slogans.

Locking innocent people up indefinitely isn't a solution to anything.

The influx of trades and construction workers from Poland and other Eastern European countries was massively advantageous for the middle class and wealthy people in my area - South West London. Suddenly you could get your house decorated or renovated for half the cost you previously needed to budget for. We all really miss them now they've gone, as you now wait weeks for a tradesman who charges a lot more and often doesn't do a very good job. A friend who runs a joinery business has been unable to hire workers even at wages significantly higher than they previously offered.

The problem is that this influx of migrants benefited the already well-off. It took business, work and money out of the hands of poorer and blue-collar workers. It wasn't actually a good deal for them, so telling them it benefits the country overall isn't a convincing way to get them to accept high immigration or vote for parties that don't talk tough on immigration. They're not fools, they know that more available workers drives down their wages.

I don't support Reform but I did actually vote for them. I wouldn't if they were actually going to see any power, so very unlikely in the next GE where I think they'll go into coalition with the Conservatives.

I think you need to make up your mind whether we are going to live in a borderless utopia or if we are going to piss away human life over territory and borders.

Posters really showing their true colours.

Now I really am off.

Nasty.

The authoritarianism, the double standards, cancel-culture, the hatred of women and trampling of women's rights, the hatred of certain minorities who they see as being at the bottom of their victim heirarchy, the tactic approval of intolerance and acceptance of violence (on the extreme left) for people that the left doesn't approve of, the moving of the Overton Window to such an extent that people like JK Rowling are viciously hounded and called "far-right" for making completely benign, common-sense statements, the sacking of individuals for voicing mild opinions or asserting their preferences, the politicisation of the police and judiciary, the approval and support for cultures and practices that are the antithesis of everything the left purports to support and the inversion of "human rights" to support the rights of the most intolerant practices and people whilst no human rights are given to their victims etc etc.

Haha keep going you're doing well with the pleasant posts, not at thrashing around with mad insults 😂

People dying weekly in the channel is the high ground? Is that why you don't mention it because it's Labour's policy?

It makes sense I guess. If you prioritise Labour over the risk they face

https://news.gallup.com/poll/468218/nearly-900-million-worldwide-wanted-migrate-2021.aspx

Here are some numbers @minionette : from a Gallup poll from 2021, 900 million people would like to move country if given the opportunity.
For 5% of them, the UK would be their favourite destination.
5% of 900 millions is 45 millions, that’s at least how many people would move to the UK if possible.

You're talking about the 'the left' as though this didn't flourish under the Tories and as though all left leaning people are TRA.

To be 'terrified' you're surely in fear for your life. I don't believe even the TRAs have killed anyone or even hurt anyone. Although there's been some bluster and threats.

I don't think all Tories are racists even though Johnson was a very popular prime minister and Jenrick thinks victims of colonisation should be grateful or the current leader is stoking division.

The far right riots which threatened ethnic minorities and where people were nearly burnt alive were far more terrifying.

But what about the Tories! It was shit under the Tories! Yawn. It's like every Labour thread, you can't criticise anything remotely to do with Labour or you'll be accused of being a Tory bot. Why does this either/or exist only on MN? You can be capable of realise the last 14 years have been shit but not liking the position of the Left.

I don't believe even the TRAs have killed anyone or even hurt anyone.

Are you having a laugh?

Why would you think being called a Tory or others who align with your views is an insult?

You're being disengenuous as usual, doubling down on your lack of respect for human rights.

I know. The Tories are so yesterday ya. What a yawnaaathon.

Let's forget Maria Miller and May and all the other trans activists in the party. Let's focus on the left ya.

I'm not aware of TRA murdering anyone, no.

What you 'call people' on these threads is just usual pro Labour nonsense. Pointless rhetoric as per.

The issue for you and your party is deaths in the channel. This will become more problematic politically even if you are ok with it.

If you see those deaths as a human right then ok

I know, words have lost all meaning. Far left fascists is a good one. Far right no longer means anything... strange that. It's almost as though it makes people uncomfortable.

You're just repeating yourself.