I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

dismantling the hard fought for most sacred communal spaces females have for one percent, is not, and never will be the answer.

Exactly. Women and girls don't need to reorganise the things they find protective for a small number of men with gender dysphoria. Society will have to find another way.

Yes that one. Back it up. Tell us all why we should let anyone who wants to into the country?

If you cannot explain your opinion, stop replying.

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"There are now seven million migrant workers in the UK"
Spectator

Tell us all why we should let anyone who wants to into the country?

I haven't said that anywhere.

Now you answer my questions.

so, immigrant labour depressed wages for British workers. Good to have that on record.

We all know how supply and demand works.

Yes you have. Anyone from anywhere should be allowed in for any reason, safely and legally from any country.

Secondly, you don't have any questions.

There are now seven million migrant workers in the UK

So? There are labour shortages in various industries as a direct result of Brexit.

Humanity and doing the right thing. We help other people because it's the moral thing to do. This is a Christian concept. I'm surprised you haven't come across it.

'Its only one case'.

Well, its only one percent. But you expect us to change and remove all feminists hard won gains for single sex spaces, to cater for one percent. You can't have it both ways.

You agree with this?

we should let anyone who wants to into the country?

All you're saying in all of your nonsensical posts is women should roll over for men, the most vulnerable and oppressed, to ensure they feel comfortable, at women's expense.

Make toilet cubicles completely enclosed so that if anyone collapses inside who cares! As long as we've looked to making trans people feel safe and included.

The fact that you've decided that your DD's peer group has got together to allow their confused pal to bunk in with them has any bearing on policy at any level, that all people need to do is ask rape victims first how they feel about men attending to listen to their experiences too, that Riley Gaines et al should've just spoken to before Lia Thomas took part and stole their spaces and medals, it's that simple you silly women! All your 'simple easy solutions' are just dick pandering measures when really, as a PP said, to expect respect as a trans women you should respect that there are some spaces and many sports you cannot be in or compete in. It's a two way street.

Again, how many cases does it have to hit, you keep minimising the issue so give us a number.

No, compromises don't need to be found, individuals don't need to speak to each other. Trans people currently hold the same rights as everyone else.

Men need to stay in the spaces and sports aligned to their sex and stop pushing boundaries. If they don't feel comfortable in those that align with their sex take that up with the men.

Get in the bin isn't telling you what you can and can’t say, it's my personal thoughts to posts that are so short sighted, blinkered and downright stupid, such as yours.

This is the annoying thing about forums. You answer a post and someone jumps in with something entirely different.

I think we should give people refuge in our country.

It wasn't 'entirely different' it was a one liner to which you responded you have forgotten humanity and a Christian concept

The one liner was wrt letting everyone in

If you and the pp think it is possible to limit how many, feel free to say how that will be done.

Yes it was different. I was answering a question on why we should take in people seeking asylum.

You leapt in with a quote from someone else about limits.

Obviously there needs to be a limit on how many people a country seeks to help. We could offer the whole of China refuge but it would be impracticable.

I'm sure the government will decide how many people it thinks would be destabilising using common sense.

Actually you leapt in to respond to the op on this

Tell us all why we should let anyone who wants to into the country?

Did you think it was another post? It clearly says anyone

You'll still need a mechanism to limit numbers if that's what you're after, with people crossing the channel what's your suggestion?

I think Ukrainians would be happier in Poland or Romania or somewhere closer to home than here. Just like if I was forced to leave I would be happier closer to home, in Wales or Norway or France than the other side of Europe.

It's an open forum and I'm entitled to answer any post I wish. I was answering the question in the post and you leapt in with an entirely different question.

You have a habit of demanding answers to the same questions irrespective of whether or not they've already been answered.

I was perfectly clear:

I'm sure the government will decide how many people it thinks would be destabilising using common sense.

They are in all those countries and more but this war affects the whole of Europe and Britain needs to do its share as much as the rest of it. As it happens the Tories agree with this. Or am I talking to Reform supporters now?

To paraphrase: Ukraine is the shield that guards the realms of men. Have some respect.

Well same I picked you up on your post that's how it works.

And you and others have a habit of being unable to answer simple questions.

HOW will that be done, don't deflect, what is the process for stopping people seeking asylum? Do you expect the gov to say no more boats or what exactly?

No, you're talking about two different things. I did not leap on a post and ask an entirely different question. I answered a question in a post. You quoted someone else and asked me to answer it.

HOW will that be done, don't deflect, what is the process for stopping people seeking asylum? Do you expect the gov to say no more boats or what exactly?

It's highly unlikely given how difficult it is to get to the UK, that we will be so inundated with asylum seekers we can't possibly help.

If we were next to a country at war, then that would be a more likely scenario and we'd probably have to build massive camps like they do in other countries.

The alternative is to kill them before they land on our shores or drop them into the war torn country they're fleeing from, potentially without permission from the country.

No, you ask completely unreasonable questions and hound individual posters for answers.

Obviously we are not going to be able to give you precise answers to questions that are far from 'simple' and above our pay grade, but that doesn't mean that this country should exempt itself from common humanity in providing asylum to those most in need.

And I don't understand why you keep quoting a line that I for one have never said: Tell us all why we should let anyone who wants to into the country?

I hope you never need refuge of any kind and meet with the kind of inhumanity on display here.

People are spouting this stuff as fact, which it isn't.

Again, how do you know that it isn’t?
I think that was pp’s point - it was assumed that only a relatively small number of Polish people would come, but the assumption was completely off.

Whether and how much UK has benefitted from Polish workers is a different matter. I’m definitely not saying it hasn’t.
And no one said anything about any golden gates opening, just that if it became easier to claim asylum it’d quite likely attract more people.

None of what you said means Britain shouldn't provide more safe routes for people fleeing war.

Crikey who said you said it? How are people not following a one liner from the op

You only feel 'hounded' because it exposes a flaw in your reasoning. The same reason you say 'leave me alone' to any poster replying reasonably to your posts in a way that makes you react.

If you are going to suggest safe routes then you need to be realistic about how many will want to use them. You are divorced from what countries will do due to this. You are focusing on being upset about a question, but unable to see the actual problem with what you are after.

It's why no country will use safe routes alone. And no 'smashing the gangs' won't work to fix that.

It's highly unlikely given how difficult it is to get to the UK, that we will be so inundated with asylum seekers we can't possibly help.

What are you talking about here?

You want the boat crossings to be the way people arrive as you don't think it will be very high?

And you're ok with the deaths and risk because it's a way to limit numbers?

What happens when those numbers and deaths go up?