I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

Erm, ok, I think.

Yes TRA’s have hurt and threatened people. That’s all they've got to go on. An elderly lady was punched in the face by a TRA in NZ (male) idiot then had to address him as ‘she’ in court. How stunning and brave.

Haha you're right there your words are without meaning.

You’re getting pretty repetitive yourself.

Sure.

Don't engage then.

I’ll engage with whatever posts I choose to. That’s how public discussion forums work (discussion being the word here, not parroting back sneery shit as I’ve run out of new things to debate, if in doubt mention the Tories, somewhere, anywhere, that’ll do it).

Engage away.

Then you didn't hear of the 72 year old woman in Auckland New Zealand who had her eye socket fractured by a TRA at the LWS rally there.

Or the woman in Scotland who was badly beaten up after Sarah Jane Baker advocated for people to punch/knife a 'TERF'.

That's only two examples offhand.

I don’t need permission but thanks, I will.

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Yep

Moving on from the usual. I agree with your post regarding the physical threat women have encountered, the 70 year old punched a good example and @IdylicDay pp, no doubt overlooked.

I think we're all aware that there are thugs in the world and they do bad things. No I didn't know that someone had been hit by some TRA. They've been out of control for a long time.

As far as I know, though correct me if I'm wrong, they haven't rioted, thrown bricks at the police or tried to burn people alive.

@minionette while I sympathise with your views, it is important to check who is coming over and why. In 2022 the main group of people coming over in boat crossings were Albanian men. They were not fleeing war and the biggest human rights violations in Albania are violence against women and children. There always seem to be remarkably few women fleeing persecution compared to men. I am not anti immigration but I think it should be carefully controlled (not sure how!) otherwise you end up with an awful lot of young men with not enough to do and not much to lose.

So what if they haven’t..?

The point is TRAs are apparently on the left while the rioters are associated with the right. They're both extremists and not representative of either side.

One is more than enough to demonstrate how vulnerable women are and how we NEED each other as women. How many, would be enough for you, to justify our need for that communal space? Give us a number. I can guarantee you that these isolated doors are NOT working well, and cannot. Common sense tells one that. Which is why you clearly have not thought about it at all. Also considering medical emergencies. You clearly gave absolutely no consideration to that at all. In fact, it never even occurred to you did it.

One is not enough. You cannot make policy to suit one person. Just as the views of one trans person don't make a difference either.

If the examples I gave you are not working well, you need to evidence that because every piece of feedback we have received to date is positive.

And sure, throw another "reason" in there, but you are arguing against a solution that is in place, and in fact has been a common set up for bathrooms for a very long time in small establishments, are there so many "medical emergencies" in small cafe bathrooms that they need to look at a solution?

Males in dresses are not 'vulnerable'. And as I previously said, by the testimony of transwomen (and gay men) themselves, they are perfectly safe in a male space. Ask yourself why you are bending over backwards for 1%, and ignoring the vulnerability of 50% of the population. Male vulnerability is not actually a thing. They want VALIDATION. That's the issue. They are not 'vulnerable'. Even if they were, dismantling the hard fought for most sacred communal spaces females have for one percent, is not, and never will be the answer.

Male vulnerability actually can be a thing, and not just for transgender people. If you are suggesting that all gay men and trans women feel safe in male spaces, then you might want to take a look at the survey carried out by the equalities office which said 88% of transgender people did not report serious incidents. (2630 reported in 2021) Hate crimes against trans people have risen 186% in the last 5 years. 58% of gay men were afraid to hold a partner's hand in public.

None of this is to say men are move vulnerable than women and deserve more protection, but to suggest men can't be vulnerable is patently untrue.

As for "the 1%" the same argument was made about disabled people, and gay people. 1% of people are blind or partially sighted, we pay attention when they need some kind of adjustment. Fewer than 1% of children are wheelchair users, we still make sure schools are accessible.

As I said, there is a solution that gives protected separate safe spaces for women, and also safe spaces for trans people, but for some reason you don't want that. You just don't want to cater for this particular 1%. N why is that?

That is NOT a 'solution', and I've and others have outlined exactly why it is NOT a solution at all, and puts women at risk. Healthwise, and safety-wise. It's been overwhelmingly proven to you how your 'solution' is dangerous and unworkable.

How many more ways do we need to word it for you, since you evidently didn't get it the first 10 times?

Interesting also that these 'incidents' that weren't reported (so therefore don't exist) are not incidents. Hate crimes to transwomen is saying NO to them. They've said this many times themselves.

Meanwhile actual attacks against actual women and girls have gone up astronomically, as has abuse and misogyny. And they entail a lot more than merely saying NO to a male in a dress.....

As to catering to these (mostly male predators) males, we already do. It's called male facilities.

True, but just because a side associated with the left hasn’t displayed behaviours exactly like the right, doesn’t minimise them or excuse them. Both have displayed horrific behaviour. You can play tit for tat until someone murders someone (surprised a TRA hasn’t yet to be fair). It’s not a race to the bottom.

I haven't minimised them or excused them, I said they were extremists and thugs.

You described their relentless violent threats and violence as threats and some bluster, I think that's pretty minimising.

There have been multiple assaults, the first one I recall was Maria MacLaclan in 2017.

You don't have to know everything but have made a bold assertion about something you are not very well informed about.

I don't have time to list all the women who have been threatened and harassed by TRA's but even if I did I'm not sure you'd care because your threshold for condemnation seems to be murder.

I can see your point i agree i am more pragmatic to me i might nit agree with everything labour does but I am sure as hell never gonna ait with those on the right. In my world we woukd smash the system abs fuck off private schools abd take back the land that the royals are charging the NHS with etc. Maybe do a bit kf French revolution while we are at it. Billionaires like musk who could actually solve world hunger would be guillotined and his wealth shared out.
If I won the lottery I would really help.others after I sorted myself out I mean elon will never be able to spend his wealth yet could help so many. That yo me stinks

No they haven't look at the facts when Trump was last in, he gave more tax breaks to the rich than he did to the poor on average, they say that his now, tariffs are going to cost the average person $4000 plus if we're talking about economics stuff under Biden, the economy has been doing amazing and the growth of jobs is amazing We would be so lucky To have anything like that in the uk.
Donald Trump talks to talk, but he does not walk the walk. Yeah, he goes on about the economy. He goes on that says he will make it better. But actually, there is no actual fact that has proven that look at all the facts

Well, I think you will find that many people that vote reform, including Nigel Farage, do actually think that Putin should take over Ukraine. That's what is going to happen under donald trump, unfortunately

From what I know about the recent election, people felt they weren't as well off under Biden as they were under Trump. Therefore they voted on the economy.

That was inflation nut they didn't know that since covid processed have gone up all over. They may as you said vote that way for that reason but the statistics don't back up that they will ir were better off because of the plan trump had or will have