I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

What about when someone attacks an asylum seeker? 🤔

Weird to conflate two issues that have very little to do with each other.

Funny that you think things have changed, because AFAIK Starmer's Labour (although they don't align entirely with my values) campaigned on the economy, renationalising the railways, Great British Energy, the economy, the NHS, law and order, investing in infrastructure, the economy again...

No shame here.

Also campaigned for Corbyn, very much concerned about the erosion of women's rights as are most people I know.

Solar panels, in my experience, barely barely make a difference and that’s on a very small house. I’m in the tariff for solar panels and “savings” is nothing.

If you think the right cares about women of any description, I'm afraid you're in for a bit of a shock. Identity politics might win elections, but it won't run a country.

It will be “interesting “ to see if Trump can get a handle on illegal immigration- Seems U.K. cannot, despite the disaster that is Brexit.
Brexit was entirely won on fears of illegal immigration- and now there are higher numbers than pre Brexit.

What will Trump do , exactly to stop it?

The “mass deportations “ will probably be like UK’s Rwanda idea- an expensive load of hot air.

Applause. This, all of this,

We save a bloody fortune with out solar panels. Between the free generated electricity, export tariffs and using the home battery so we import and store cheap electricity at 6.5p/kWh each night, we run an electric car and run a busy home for five for peanuts each day.

Indeed. Much agreed.

Once again - the Brexit ‘disaster’ negates those who voted for it.

This haughtiness is what has landed the Trump bashers, what they most feared.

A little humility from the left might go a long way.

Of course it didn’t come up 5 years ago. At that point there was very little reporting of all the problems with gender woo in the media. The only real conversation was on Twitter and that was dominated by TRAs angrily shouting ‘bigot’ at anyone having the temerity to raise a query about the obvious risks and harms to women and children.

At that time, apart from die-hard activists and earnest young people desperate to ‘be kind’, the average punter on the doorstep, in the main, would either have not heard about self ID and/or were unaware of the problems it inevitably causes. And if they had heard about it, they in no way foresaw the lunacy that would ensue, because who would have thought that mainstream political parties would think it ok to deny reality.

By 'illegal immigration' do you mean immigrants who come to the UK for work or do you mean asylum seekers?

It's absolutely impossible to stop all immigration, no matter what politicians say. That's because we need people to work in the UK and we have a falling birth rate.

Brexit was created by a complex set of issues, one of which was cheap labour coming from Eastern Europe which kept wages down. After Brexit the government are importing cheap labour from outside Europe.

Trump said whatever he needed to say to get elected. In his acceptance speech he claimed that he was going to fix everything wrong with America.

Five years ago there was a wall of no debate. The changes that we see today were being legislated for quietly, were being lobbied silently, were being implemented through the back door and out of sight. Whistleblowers were punished, figures fudged, the media was muzzled.

It's taken brave women, tarred with the shame brush, fighting back in law courts, bringing it to media attention, mobilising to make people aware of what was happening in the institutions that their taxation pays for, putting women and girls at risk in all of them.

Clearly lots of people feel like you OP. Trump did as well as he did in large part because of Democrat voters who chose not to vote at all.

There are plenty of high profile examples of people who have traditionally been progressive/liberals who have been completely alienated by the left.

But more than that, the workers, who the left is supposed to be about, have largely abandoned them.

The various leftist parties have become dominated by elites, the professional middle classes, academics, doctors, lawyers, etc. So it's to be expected their policies and ideology would reflect that.

They keep themselves feeling morally comfortable by imagining they represent the oppressed and workers. You't think the fact that Trump has now won the largest cross-racial vote since the 1960s, and the fact that Harris voters were united mainly by their high incomes, might pierce that armour, but I am doubtful.

Rawanda was supposed to stop the boats …

personally, am sick about the bodies dead or alive being pulled from the sea.

Rawanda as a deterrent, and a “processing centre” is a strategy. And supporting another economy smart as well.

Just letting people get in boats and try their luck is not a strategy.
If you made a free shuttle service to uk … then they could all walk on the rainbow crossings.

There are a lot of people who are politically homeless, or whose vote counts for little in our UK voting system, and the OP is not alone.

Rwanda was illegal and a complete waste of money.

What strategy do you suggest?

Stopping the many unofficial ways of earning money which can be found in the UK but are much less to be found in France and some other EU member states would be much more effective than sending 1% of unofficial migrants to Rwanda.

Absolutely 💯

I've seen it on other threads as well as this one saying not to vote on a single issue. Well with the trans issue, I will vote on a single issue as when politicians are trying to gaslight you and talking about something which is clear that most don't believe in themselves that is indicative of who they are and I won't be voting for a lying, spineless party

I think you have got it in one with your OP, @GenerativeAIBot

It cannot be said often enough that if you cannot trust a party when they tell you what a woman or girl is, how can you trust anything else that they say.

For me the left think they're righteous but are not, they support men in women's sport, soft on criminals, soft in drugs which affect the poor and want anyone to be able to waltz into the country without a passport often from the most misogynist places on earth. Then they go on about how they're the intelligent ones rather than the ones that live in a cosseted bubble. To me the left just represent public sector workers, the unemployed and academics, all of whom have elements who are freeloading off the rest of us and I would never vote Labour as I am working class.

The genuine left have always been more socially conservative but firmly left wing fiscally. What a lot of people describe as left is actually liberal, a very different beast altogether. Starmer's lot are not left. Not remotely. They are liberal and liberals love identity politics because it allows them to ignore the much bigger problem of class and the lack of equal opportunity, here in the UK anyway.

Yep this. ^