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I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

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GenerativeAIBot · 11/11/2024 14:09

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

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Sawlt · 11/11/2024 15:46

PollyPeachum · 11/11/2024 14:28

@GenerativeAIBot I saw the list of what you do support.
How are you about net zero? It seems that it is going to be very expensive to adopt these plans as quickly as Starmer & Milliband intend. We already have expensive electricity compared to all countries except Germany.

The targets are fantasy.
Too expensive for normal people and the EV cars don’t last, create different pollution & are clearly “mis selling”

It’s “ bad cars! “. Tax and ticket and ban. Yet look at all the throw-away clothes, throw away elec cars& tech. Stupid rainbows wastefully painted on the streets. Too much money spent on signals - cheap flags. Badges etc and not enough fixing on what is really wrong.

It’s all Virtue Signaling and no reality checking.

Our council spent stupid money on rainbow tat that should have been spent or education or disability. They will do it ever year - gleefully ordering the rainbow tat thinking it makes a difference. It doesn’t.

Tangobag · 11/11/2024 15:48

You don’t sound like you were ever reasonable enough to have been on the left in the first place

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 11/11/2024 15:51

Tangobag · 11/11/2024 15:48

You don’t sound like you were ever reasonable enough to have been on the left in the first place

The OP sounds very reasonable to me.

username7891 · 11/11/2024 15:52

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 11/11/2024 15:51

The OP sounds very reasonable to me.

People on the same political spectrum tend to agree with each other. This is not rocket science.

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 11/11/2024 15:54

username7891 · 11/11/2024 15:52

People on the same political spectrum tend to agree with each other. This is not rocket science.

That’s a cheap shot, but then that’s why you are not Wernher von Braun.

Menowhatdoyoucallit · 11/11/2024 15:57

SharpOpalNewt · 11/11/2024 15:27

Ah I see, it's another bonkers trans thread.

Goodbye.

Well done for illustrating my point.

username7891 · 11/11/2024 15:57

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 11/11/2024 15:54

That’s a cheap shot, but then that’s why you are not Wernher von Braun.

It's not a 'cheap shot' - it's a simple fact.

BunfightBetty · 11/11/2024 15:57

JacquesHarlow · 11/11/2024 14:31

Part of the challenge with the Left in the US is not the ideas

(....though they could and should have been better defined in the election).

The problem is the horrible, hectoring tone of voice from most of their campaigners.

The narrative goes a bit like this:

"No one who is human and has a moral compass could possibly believe anything other than what I am about to say".

The problem with that line of argument is... it doesn't account for what politics is about.

Politics is about argument and persuasion, not moral shaming.

If you hold a position? Convince me of it! Show me your passion and openness to listen, and I'll give you my vote.

The Left are WAY too comfortable with assumptions that everyone understands the morality of their positions.

Signed, a lifelong Left-wing voter who is beyond despair at the poor comms campaigns.

Agree 💯. Wise post. It would be good if Labour were listening (though I won’t hold my breath).

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 11/11/2024 16:00

username7891 · 11/11/2024 15:57

It's not a 'cheap shot' - it's a simple fact.

Belittling all those who would agree with each other.

OK.

alittleprivacy · 11/11/2024 16:01

Voted yabu but I meant yanbu. It's how increasing numbers of people feel. Although it's also worth remembering that with the high gen Z vote for Trump, there is a generation people that feel like the left was never there for them as from there perspective,things were always this way. So it will be very interesting to see how that filters through going forward.

username7891 · 11/11/2024 16:05

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 11/11/2024 16:00

Belittling all those who would agree with each other.

OK.

How is what I said belittling? I thought lefties were meant to be the snowflakes. Pointing out that people of the same political persuasion agree with each other is belittling...

GenerativeAIBot · 11/11/2024 16:05

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 11/11/2024 14:27

A good post but when you say you ‘remain committed to progressive taxation’, it would be useful to understand whether said ‘progress’ would impact you?

You see one of the many issues with the left, is their desire to spend others money, and to target them with punitive taxation on spurious fiscal grounds.

Hence the blowback on PS Vat etc.

Many people, like you evidently, have had it to the back teeth with the left - telling us how to think, and what to say etc.

I utterly despise the left.

I'm top 5% on income personally.

I believe that money attracts money, generally and that people are disadvantaged by being born into poverty, generally, therefore steps should be taken to improve opportunities for all via education, etc etc. Though, I must say, without a boast, that I was born into sub working class poverty, and now I am not.

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Menowhatdoyoucallit · 11/11/2024 16:06

username7891 · 11/11/2024 16:05

How is what I said belittling? I thought lefties were meant to be the snowflakes. Pointing out that people of the same political persuasion agree with each other is belittling...

Because that's not how you intended your comment.

mumda · 11/11/2024 16:07

We're at a point in our society where we still need to ask "what do you mean by woman?" And once we don't, I will assume some level of normality will resume.

I am however still seeing nonsense in form options.

crackofdoom · 11/11/2024 16:08

Yet again..."the Left" this, "the Left" that.

Well, I'm "the Left", to the point that I went out door knocking for Corbyn in 2017 and 2019, and neither I or anybody else had any interest in- or even, to my recollection, raised- the question of rights for trans people, pronouns, any of what you'd term "woke nonsense". Because nobody cared.

On the doorsteps we talked about stuff like renationalisation of public utilities, making sure large corporations paid their taxes, benefits, the NMW, the economy, second homes, the economy, green issues, the NHS, and the economy again.

Outside your bizarre right-wing bubble, nobody gives a shit about your "woke trans nonsense". It's utterly fabricated outrage.

GenerativeAIBot · 11/11/2024 16:09

PollyPeachum · 11/11/2024 14:28

@GenerativeAIBot I saw the list of what you do support.
How are you about net zero? It seems that it is going to be very expensive to adopt these plans as quickly as Starmer & Milliband intend. We already have expensive electricity compared to all countries except Germany.

Tricky, but, failing to meet net zero is a lack vision and action as far as I can see. China, bizarrely will reach it way before we do because they run a dictatorship (no I don't want one at all). The fundamental intent of NetZero, is a positive one, I can plainly see Climate Change is real, and we are the cause, getting to Net Zero seems the only way of slowing things and wholesale planetary engineering the only way of fixing it.

For example, the price of solar panels and electricity storage has plummeted by more than 95% in the last 20 years. We are perfectly capable of utilising that price technology, yet we are not.

But I feel this is taking us off subject somehow!

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username7891 · 11/11/2024 16:10

Menowhatdoyoucallit · 11/11/2024 16:06

Because that's not how you intended your comment.

It's exactly what I said and meant. How you choose to interpret it has nothing to do with me.

GenerativeAIBot · 11/11/2024 16:10

crackofdoom · 11/11/2024 16:08

Yet again..."the Left" this, "the Left" that.

Well, I'm "the Left", to the point that I went out door knocking for Corbyn in 2017 and 2019, and neither I or anybody else had any interest in- or even, to my recollection, raised- the question of rights for trans people, pronouns, any of what you'd term "woke nonsense". Because nobody cared.

On the doorsteps we talked about stuff like renationalisation of public utilities, making sure large corporations paid their taxes, benefits, the NMW, the economy, second homes, the economy, green issues, the NHS, and the economy again.

Outside your bizarre right-wing bubble, nobody gives a shit about your "woke trans nonsense". It's utterly fabricated outrage.

Sounds an awful lot like what Bernie said last week. However - you may find that in the last 7 years, the transgender and immigration issue has got a lot bigger in peoples minds. Every time a nurse or a school girl is forced to share a room with a male - or an asylum seeker attacks someone, it gets bigger,not smaller.

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ByMerryKoala · 11/11/2024 16:11

Totally reasonable, op. The left gave up on representing the concerns of the working class and took up the self congratulatory role of cultural leaders puffed up on postmodern academic narratives of self and identity.

Lilifer · 11/11/2024 16:12

ByMerryKoala · 11/11/2024 16:11

Totally reasonable, op. The left gave up on representing the concerns of the working class and took up the self congratulatory role of cultural leaders puffed up on postmodern academic narratives of self and identity.

🙌🏻 I think I shall put that on a t shirt

Tangobag · 11/11/2024 16:12

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 11/11/2024 15:51

The OP sounds very reasonable to me.

That’s a shame for you

EasternStandard · 11/11/2024 16:13

alittleprivacy · 11/11/2024 16:01

Voted yabu but I meant yanbu. It's how increasing numbers of people feel. Although it's also worth remembering that with the high gen Z vote for Trump, there is a generation people that feel like the left was never there for them as from there perspective,things were always this way. So it will be very interesting to see how that filters through going forward.

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True, the age thing is interesting

Btw I think you can just click on yanbu and it'll switch your vote

MaidOfSteel · 11/11/2024 16:13

Your OP reflects exactly how I feel. I am politically homeless. I wouldn't have voted in the last election but I now live in Scotland and had to vote tactically to help rid the country of the SNP, mostly for the reasons the OP stated.

username7891 · 11/11/2024 16:13

GenerativeAIBot · 11/11/2024 16:10

Sounds an awful lot like what Bernie said last week. However - you may find that in the last 7 years, the transgender and immigration issue has got a lot bigger in peoples minds. Every time a nurse or a school girl is forced to share a room with a male - or an asylum seeker attacks someone, it gets bigger,not smaller.

Do you think the Right was 'captured' by the left and that's why they jumped in feet first with gender ideology?

Beemo456 · 11/11/2024 16:14

In the words of the absolute legend, John Lyndon...

"I never thought I'd live to see the day when the right wing would become the cool ones, giving the middle finger to the establishment, and the left wing becoming the snivelling self-righteous twatty ones going around shaming everyone".

I think that about sums it up for me OP.

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