I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

Didn't Trump say that teachers were performing gender reassignment surgery on pupils in school?

If someone with a GRC enters a toilet, no one will know

this 😂😂

Donald trump on fox said that kamala and Democrats were performing sex change surgeries at school so basically kids were getting surgery at school or something bizarre like that I remember seeing him say that

omg you are right, he did www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna170217

Yeah but people are not influenced by lies are they .... lol lol lol

@Tandora he also said that they were killing babies after they had been born to when talking about abortions .

If someone with a GRC enters a toilet, no one will know as it's illegal to ask for one.

Bingo

Your claim re Starmer's words is not true, they are not protected

Now you see I think I feel like you OP, common-sense, single sex prisons etc then I see the actual hatred & bile that's been posted on Twitter in the last few days about the bloody Boots Christmas advert & I realise that the 'antiwoke' mob are a completely different group of people!

It's horrific the stuff being posted about a black actress, and I realise maybe it hasn't left me behind at all!

“Can you imagine you’re a parent and your son leaves the house and you say, ‘Jimmy, I love you so much, go have a good day in school,’ and your son comes back with a brutal operation? Can you even imagine this? What the hell is wrong with our country?” Trump said Saturday at a campaign rally in Wisconsin, a vital swing state.

😂😂😂😂😂

God yeh I remember that one .
utter madness. And this man now holds the most powerful political office in the world.

This is what i am saying is don't agree with you on the trabs issue but even if you don't like that issue I am very sorry but how the hell can anyone stand with the right on their stance on other stuff. That's what I have been trying to say and I am sorry but when they say oh the left left me nah its just that folks are saying stuff now that they didn't for years and the projectory of the country has shifted more to the right then people admit or realise

This isn't some revelation. I'm perfectly aware of what's going on.

I've explained to you several times that's it's down to the organisation and in many cases, there's a misinterpretation of the law.

They bought it hell many were claiming kamala was an actual witch because his pastor said so

How would you like Starmer to better protect public toilets ?

Like many, I used to be left wing. I am a northern, working-class, disabled, woman.

However, I don't think I can ever vote for a left wing party again after the mess they've made of the gender debate. They've shown themselves to be liars, fantasists, misogynists, child abusers, and more. How can we ever trust them again? Their mask has slipped and there's something insidious underneath.

No, the right aren't much better, but at least they're acknowledging the problem.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/jd-vance-event-evangelist-kamala-harris-witchcraft-rcna173020

They bought that kamala used actual witchcraft and we sit there thinking crikey the lunatics have took over the asylum

I am a northern from Yorkshire disabled woman to tell me how the right are gonna look after you better? Look at the record of the last 14 years but sure being obsessed over one issue means you leave a side that supports us better because they do believe in more equality doesn't make bloody sense that's a cult mentality

Of course there aren't going to be specific links. Any toilet with the universal pic for a woman, or say 'women' or however that toilet chooses to distinguish women from men (it's always clear) should be deemed to be based on sex.

That's the social contract that up until now, until Gender Ideology took aim, was fine. If men were found to be in that space women could challenge this presence. You know they shouldn't be there.

Decent people adhere to this. Like restricted access and keep out signs.

Now that being a woman now means 'anyone who says they are' and getting a GRC aka Legalised Fiction (the majority don't) is pretty simple and Labour are trying to make this easier to obtain, this social contract no longer exists, as if challenged a boundary pushing man can say 'oh I'm a woman'.

Women don't care if men have a GRC, it's meaningless. They care that men are in their single sex toilets when they shouldn't be.

Labour and certainly not the Tories don't give a fuck about safeguarding issues like this for women.

Are you aware (it has already been pointed out) that you can criticise the Left without being part of, or supportive of all aspects of, the Right?

Except for this post is about how folks have left the left over mainly one reason ut seems which as I say doesn't make sense

There's quite a few things that some people on the left do that. I don't agree with
Yet, I would never declare on here that I have left my stance which is mostly left centre.
So sure people can criticize some aspects of the left, but people are not just doing that other they're saying I have left the left.That's completely different, because that means you have left your whole ideological viewpoint

@Littlemissgobby

The left have publicly abused autistic and gay children. Whilst doing this, they called those of us opposing it "bigots" and more. They gaslit parents into abusing their own kids! How can anyone defend this?!?

Yes, the right may not protect us. However, I feel safer with them given their stance on crime, traditional values, and so on.

They've shown themselves to be liars, fantasists, misogynists, child abusers

Some people are trans. Thats ok. Accepting trans people and supporting their integration into society does not make someone a liar, a fantasist, a misogynist , or a child abuser.

You know who is a liar, a fantasist, a misogynist and a convicted felon? Trump.

You have very much lost your way.

Of course it's a social problem, but it arises only because men are stronger and bigger. It's not a 'natural order' in a moral sense (quite the opposite, the patriarchy is inherently immoral - evil, even), but it is a reality that men have dominated because of biological differences between men and women. Nothing to do with how we conceive of ourselves in a gender sense, but instead a simple matter of strength. If males as a class weren't bigger and stronger than females, they wouldn't have been able to achieve dominance in the first place.

Yes, the solutions will likely be social/cultural one, but we need to not kid ourselves now that the sex-based differences between men and women don't matter. They do. History and crime stats make that patently obvious.

We haven't yet got to a point where all males will fucking behave themselves when they spot a woman in a vulnerable position, so we have interim social and cultural solutions, including segregating the sexes in some areas where biological females are made unsafe by the presence of biological males, such as toilets and changing rooms. It is idiotic to suggest these aren't currently needed because of some theory-woo and it helps nobody.

When females are 14 times more likely to be assaulted in a mixed sex space, it is highly immoral to argue for that.

I am always nervous when posters provide their personal details, in an attempt to burnish their debating credentials.

The northern lass schtick otherwise cuts no ice with many of us, and a significant number of posters have disabilities which they don’t seek to leverage.

The thread is about disenfranchisement with the left, not another trip down Tory memory lane.