I didn’t leave the left. The left, left me.

[GenerativeAIBot]

Stop me if you have already heard this the last few days, I am trying to make sense of how I feel about Trump and other right leaning wins:

“Woke” issues being pushed to where they have been, has empowered the right by giving them something real and legitimate to campaign against. Something more than their usual transparently false bogeymen.

In general, Authoritarianism, compelled speech, no debate. Specifically men in women’s sports, in women’s changing rooms, unfettered immigration, being asked to ignore the evidence in front of our eyes.

This is happening across the world, Italy, France, Germany, USA, UK.

I remain entirely committed to progressive taxation, a social safety net, collective bargaining, workers rights, public schooling and health services as well as the rights of everyone to live contented, unmolested lives.

I reject identity politics in their entirety. For example, I consider terms like “Woman of colour” to be the epitome of divisive, racist, sexist thought patterns that seeks to infantilise people and move their locus of control from internal to external. Disempowering people and making them victims.

I didn’t leave the left. The left left me.

Reasonable?

Some People on the left care about fairness don't accept or understand trans people/ issues; so much so that they were prepared to vote a misogynist/ sexual abuser into the most powerful political office in the world.

there I fixed it for you.

I thought this once. Sadly after 40 years of my life where the statistics are still stubbornly showing that 99% of those in prison for sexual assault & rape are male and 96% of those who are raped are female I have to conclude that it is biology not patriarchy which makes men rape women. Even if it was patriarchy the fact that it hasn't even slightly changed means men must still be kept out of female spaces, changing rooms, prisons and rape crisis centres. And that includes men who identify as women who show the same pattern of offending as any other man.

You also are pretty invested in the patriarchy (which depends on strict binary gender roles), so you really, really dislike the idea that we should recognise, accept and integrate trans people into society.

I think you are confused, and mistaken.
The patriarchy is built on the two sexes, not gender roles. Sex is then used to create traditional masculine and feminine gender roles.
To dismantle patriarchy, it is necessary to completely separate sex from gender roles, then demolish gender as an irrelevance, then enforce sex equality.

Faffing about with gender whilst ignoring sex (or worse, pretending sex doesn't matter), is leaving sex-based inequality untouched, and does nothing to fight patriarchy.

To recognise, accept and integrate trans people into society will also do nothing to dismantle the patriarchy, because it is sex that matters, not gender.

Furthermore, if by 'integrating' transwomen you damage the rights of women, you are actually reenforcing patriarchy.

Alternatively , those persistent statistics reflect the fact that we still live in a profoundly patriarchal society.
Hence the election of and support for trump.

It’s incredibly wrong and dangerous to start naturalising rape.

Sex is then used to create traditional masculine and feminine gender roles.

Your theory needs a lot of work. This resource is helpful: http://people.fmarion.edu/tbarbeau/Gender%20Definitions%20article%201.pdf.

I find this summation particularly helpful:
“Gender is not what culture created out of my body’s sex; sex is what culture makes when it genders my body.”

However, it is right to protect women from potential rapists and creepy sex offenders. Hence the keeping men out of women's spaces.

This is such a perfect example.
Someone makes a simple mistake between 'coloured person' and 'person of colour', and the response is insults about living under a rock.
Not the way to win hearts and minds.

The left/liberal camp will continue losing elections until they drop the insults and obsession with identities, and get back to fighting economic class inequality.

Trump was claiming this election was rigged right up until the polls closed....

It's horrific how quickly these misogynist bros have crawled out of the woodwork. "Your body, my choice." They're dangerous and taking their cue from the sex offender par exemplar that's been voted into office.

Although this has been going on in the manosphere for years.

Wow, the loathing and wild accusations (“You hate trans people! You only focus on one subject! You’d vote for Trump!”) on this thread rather neatly reiterate the points that so many of are making. Particularly the points about intolerance for any opinion other than the ones deems “correct”.

Sorry I don’t know why that link doesn’t work. If you google BRIDGE OCCASIONAL PAPER: GENDER AND SEX - A SAMPLE OF DEFINITIONS it will come up.

No, if you bother to read the post 'coloured people' was used twice on purpose. It was quite deliberate. It hasn't been acceptable to use for quite some time and it's surprising anyone thinks it acceptable.

But don't let facts get in the way - as usual.

And yet you miss all the wild accusations about us on the left to but hey ho

sex is what culture makes when it genders my body

Erm.. no.
Sex is what your DNA makes. It is a matter of biology. Humans are a dimorphic species, we produce two types of gametes, and have two sexes.

You are very confused about what sex and gender actually are.
Either that or you are wilfully ignorant. I suspect the latter.

This is the kind of blind ignorance that give 'the left' such a bad name.

What I don’t understand is why are so many people concerned about trans people? As an example in USA, statistically they make approximately 1% of USA population. Even if some view them as threat, it’s a really small number, compared with, as an example, 16% of children in USA that live in poverty, which I think should be talked about and addressed, but it’s not. Microplastics and PFAS pollution is another example that affects 100% of population and it will continue to get worse yet it’s also not talked about. Worse, deregulations will aggravate the problem.

I haven’t seen any, really. Just sensible points about why the left is losing voters and supporters.

but hey ho

It's like watching an own goal in slow motion.

Have a look in the feminism forums. There’s plenty in there as to why this is important to a lot of women.

And maybe dial down the “But this other issue is what you SHOULD care about”. You don’t get to tell people what they should find important. On top of that, people can care about more than one thing at once so to make out that people only care about the trans issue is disingenuous.

JFC. They aren't. It's males. In spaces and sports where they shouldn't be, regardless of how they identify.

Funny that 😄 also if the left are losing because people have been encouraged that the reason why they are poor is because of migrants which alot have then yes that's because folks are stupid and exactly what Hitler tried. It's not the left that had caused that uts gree and selfishness and neo liberalism that has made folks poorer

get back to fighting economic class inequality

eh?? But some of us don’t only care about “economic class equality”. We care about rights, equality , freedom and justice for marginalised people,; we care about challenging racism, ableism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia; we care about migrant people, we care about access to healthcare , including sexual and reproductive rights; we care about reforming the policing and justice system…. Etc. we don’t want to give all that up just to appease people with socially intolerant views just because they also support economic redistribution ?

Absolutely christ it's almost like folks are just blind to injusrice in all areas. It's the lack of empathy that grates me

That may be so. Shame the same can't be said for What's happening on our streets. It's not even hidden anymore. What exactly are they doing about that?

Because if transwomen are treated as women, it destroys women as a group, including destroying or damaging women's rights and protections.

No-one is concerned about transmen, as they don't present the same kind of threat to men.

Most people are not concerned, because they are not aware of or interested in the issue of protecting women's rights.
Hence why the left is losing. People mostly vote according to their economic interests (not solely, but mostly).

What are the tories doing abiut the blatant islamaphobia that theybgave a problem with. The news reader Ms Hussain was talking about this other day lbc reported ut how it's getting bad. So why is ut just labour that has to sort stuff cons didn't even try to sort themselves out