Another XL Bully Attack

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Vicious XL Bully attack leaves five-year-old boy with life-changing injuries and needing facial reconstruction surgery | Daily Mail Online

Little Teddy needed 100 stitches in his face but was lucky to escape with his life.

Is it unreasonable now to ask the Government to give a warning in the media, that children are to be kept away from these dogs? Not to enter a house or garden where they're known to be? Even if told that the dog is safe, which they are not.
This little chap was visiting a home with his family when it struck.

Bore off! I’ve known staffys who flip! That one with at attacked my horse flipped for no reason! Anyway like I said I have no respect for any sort of bully apologist. Never in a million years would I let my child near an animal that has the ability to lock its jaws and not let go. So defend away all you like, they’re all as bad as each other.

Cull the dogs, prosecute the owners . Keeping one with children ought to be regarded as neglect. It’s the same as keeping a weapon within the reach of a child.

It doesn’t help that the photos used tend to make the dog look like a monster. When your dc goes on a play date and the dog is a sweetie, looking more like an American pit bull or a staffy, you may not make the connection.

Some of these dogs look like the monsters illustrating news stories. Most of them don’t.

@Mumofnarnia sorry but you're starting to sound unhinged now. And a bit thick to be honest. No point engaging further as you're so blinkered you won't entertain any other views.

Just to summarise I'm not an apologist. I am fully aware of the nature of bull breeds having being raised with them myself. Never once have I encountered any aggression from one. That's not to say it can't and doesn't happen, of course it does. Research well enough and you'll see reported attacks from pretty much all breeds but of course the risk of serious harm is a lot higher with a strong, powerful dog than it ever would be with a Jack Russell. For that reason I am always super cautious and very responsible with mine. The same can't be said for other owners.

But the difference with an XL bully is that you are combining size and strength with fucked up genetics that make their behaviour incredibly unpredictable and psychotic. That's why they are so dangerous and why they should be culled imo.

oh We are resorting to insults now are we?? I’m unhinged because I would never let my child around a staffy? Really? Now who’s the unhinged one! It’s giving me a good laugh seeing you tying yourself in knots trying to defend them!

Zero difference between the jaw lock then?? Or did you miss that bit? BOTH XL and staffy can do serious damage and kill! Absolutely not comparable so bore off with your non argument

I would not let my kids go to houses with these dogs either!

@Mumofnarnia I mean you've just used the phrase 'bore off' twice in an adult discussion soo....😬

You're not unhinged for not letting your dc near a staffy, that's completely up to you.

I don't think I'm tying myself in knots. I've asked you questions you can't answer. I've spoken from experience and acknowledged the risks. But as I've said multiple times now it mostly boils down to temperament...which is very different in an XL bully to any other dog. If an XL bully was just another big, powerful dog it wouldn't have been banned and there wouldn't be attack after attack. It's the behaviour that sets it apart from other dogs. Hope that clears it up finally.

Absolutely, certain types of people are just moving on to other dangerous breeds. We have some arsehole down the road who has a cane corso with three young children, no-one else can walk the thing as it's too bloody strong.

Just have a big dog licence along the lines of a shotgun licence. Police come round and vet people and if they have a criminal record or can't get a good reference, don't have a properly secure garden or house (or have a flat) they can't get one. Licence needs to be carried at all times when with the dog and major penalties if they don't have one.

Yes, and as the XL isn't a specific breed, immediately identifiable, a number of owners just say it's a cross breed.
A few locally have them, and the majority adhere to restrictions. There are a few that I'm pretty sure are XL, but I couldn't be sure and not muzzled etc.
Without exception, though, the owners are the stereotype.

Oh I’m glad you’re taking note of what ‘phrases’ I use! That’s really going to help isn’t it! Not!

The temperament! Aye and I’ve seen the ‘temperament’ of a staffy too! I’m not interested in the ‘it’s not the dog it’s the owner’ phrase or it’s the ‘temperament’ excuse. As far as I’m concerned any dog that locks its jaws and refuses to let go is just as bad as the other regardless of size and weight.

Before all of the coverage over the last couple of years, I'm ashamed to say I was in the whole "its how you bring a dog up camp" I am not now and I seriously believe there is something wrong with this breed and I do think they should be culled. The steps taken by the ban are not enough and they are too unpredictable

One escaped close to us last weekend. It slipped out of its owners hand during fireworks and was lost all night " without a muzzle as this also fell off as it panicked" (not sure I believe that) Fortunately it was found, and no harm done. Owner has been talking on social media about what a soft and lovely dog is (and on pictures,it appears sweet and docile) but I'm glad its not on my immediate estate as my kids play out and I wouldnt want them to potentially come across it

Its a shame as these are clearly loved family pets but I think they are all a potential accident waiting to happen and if yours doesnt turn, you are fortunate but its a risk

@Mumofnarnia at what point have I said 'owner not dog' - I hate that phrase and it clearly doesn't apply to XL bullies because those fuckers are attacking their owners anyway.

But temperament is valid. Because when you combine size and strength with messed up genetics and a temperament that can and does flip so regularly, you are asking for trouble.

You may have seen a staffy flip. That's anecdotal. Equally I could say I've never seen any of my English bull terriers flip, not once in 30+ years. XL bullies are doing it over and over again and nothing is being done to stop it. If staffies or any other breed did it on the same level and caused as much destruction you'd like to think there would be sanctions against them too. But there aren't and there's a reason for that.

Everyone on this thread agrees that XL bullies are vile so your personal prejudice against other bull breeds is neither here nor there.

@Mumofnarnia you keep ranting on about "jaw lock" what do you make of breeds like German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Dobermans and other big powerful breeds that bite and tear flesh away?
You're hysterical about bull breeds yet all dogs are capable of killing a person.
A big/giant breed is capable of killing a lot quicker than a bully so why so much hatred and vitriol towards someone who owns bulldogs and actually knows what they're talking about? Your way of thinking is dangerous it's not just bully breeds that snap or cause damage.

You’re missing my point entirely but I’m sure that because you have ‘30 years experience’ of ‘positivity’ around them then you’ll obviously be biased! It’s how they react if/when they flip that matters. Either way I wouldn’t take my chances on my child being around a breed of dog that if it just happened to flip, whether that be the child’s fault or not would have the ability to lock their jaws and not let go! And that’s my point. I honestly don’t know why you keep arguing with me! You made your point - hasn’t changed my view one bit and it never will. I will not allow my child around a dangerous dog breed who’s killer instinct is to lock its jaws around its victim

Oh ffs I’m talking about Staffys and XL bullies! I also would not let my child near the breeds you have stated either! But that’s an argument for another thread!

Please do stop with the 'lock their jaws' bit. They don't lock. They aren't crocodiles.

They do have strong jaw muscles.

Anything else?? Or is that your only argument

Do you have a bull breed?

I'm not having an argument. Around the tenth time you mentioned it, I thought I'd stop sitting on my hands, that's all.

And? So what? Anything else to contribute or is that it?

Being so foully and personally rude about the victim of a dog attack and their family is not going to help you in any way shape or form make your point.

There is no such thing as 'lock jaw' . Their anatomy is not unique and no breed has a jaw that functions as a locking mechanism. All they have is muscle and a very stubborn personality.

My 30kg malinois can dangle her entire body weight with a good grip. Zero locking needed.

Maybe not but I’m trying to get my point across! At the end of the day they don’t let go once they held their grip! Anything else??

I wouldn’t take my chances on my child being around a breed of dog that if it just happened to flip, whether that be the child’s fault or not would have the ability to lock their jaws and not let go! that will include all terriers then because terriers exhibit the same bite pattern. Its not a specific trait only of bull breed dogs