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Another XL Bully Attack

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PiggyPigalle · 08/11/2024 15:12

Vicious XL Bully attack leaves five-year-old boy with life-changing injuries and needing facial reconstruction surgery | Daily Mail Online

Little Teddy needed 100 stitches in his face but was lucky to escape with his life.

Is it unreasonable now to ask the Government to give a warning in the media, that children are to be kept away from these dogs? Not to enter a house or garden where they're known to be? Even if told that the dog is safe, which they are not.
This little chap was visiting a home with his family when it struck.

XL Bully attack leaves young boy needing facial reconstruction surgery

A five-year-old boy has been left with life-changing injuries following a vicious mauling by an XL Bully in Scotland. His traumatised family who helplessly watched on in horror now want the breed banned.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14059029/Vicious-XL-Bully-attack-leaves-five-year-old-boy-life-changing-injuries-needing-facial-reconstruction-surgery.html?login

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Carol4155 · 11/11/2024 22:03

HildaHosmede · 11/11/2024 21:25

Your basically telling me my children are going to die ...8 years of my girl ...been through 4 pregnancies with me ..I trust her more than any human

You really haven't learned anything at all.

You are, however, perfectly demonstrating the mentality of a typical XL beast owner.

I dont own an xl bully ...

Spondoolies · 12/11/2024 15:49

There are several instances of American Bulldog listed on the Wikipedia for dog deaths so it’s understandable that people are concerned that they are a danger as well as XL Bullys. Presumably if it’s a smaller dog it will be less of a threat to older children and adults but they are responsible for killing infants. Even if a dog has a great temperament all it’s life, there could still be something that causes it to react.

Professionaldogtrainer · 12/12/2024 11:51

Firstly I agree XL bully should all be destroyed. Secondly staffs do not have a lock jaw. It's a common misconception but use Google or ask a vet. Unfortunately if you do destroy all dangerous dogs they will just get a new kind of dangerous dog. Malinois are suddenly common on our streets now. A dog bred for guarding and it's attacking abilities and made famous through special forces and John wick. Morons will always go for a dog that makes them feel big and hard. Let's bring an owners register into this country where you have to prove your fit to look after a dog. On a final note. A chihuahua attacked a 3 year old girl who needed 87 stitches in her face.( That story only made the local news . If it had been an XL it would of been everywhere )All dogs will attack and need to be trained. Unfortunately 98% of the time it is the owners fault through not training the animal they own. Wether you agree or not is your human right but I go off research and statistics, not just the stories that will sell newspapers or get you to click on a story for likes and views. Check the government and RSPCA websites for reliable figures and facts. The number one dog most likely to bite you in the UK? That beautiful, loving , faithful and cuddly Labrador!!!

HeadacheEarthquake · 12/12/2024 12:01

BBC News - Two held as baby hurt in suspected XL bully attack
www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zgng1k5yo

HeadacheEarthquake · 12/12/2024 12:03

Professionaldogtrainer · 12/12/2024 11:51

Firstly I agree XL bully should all be destroyed. Secondly staffs do not have a lock jaw. It's a common misconception but use Google or ask a vet. Unfortunately if you do destroy all dangerous dogs they will just get a new kind of dangerous dog. Malinois are suddenly common on our streets now. A dog bred for guarding and it's attacking abilities and made famous through special forces and John wick. Morons will always go for a dog that makes them feel big and hard. Let's bring an owners register into this country where you have to prove your fit to look after a dog. On a final note. A chihuahua attacked a 3 year old girl who needed 87 stitches in her face.( That story only made the local news . If it had been an XL it would of been everywhere )All dogs will attack and need to be trained. Unfortunately 98% of the time it is the owners fault through not training the animal they own. Wether you agree or not is your human right but I go off research and statistics, not just the stories that will sell newspapers or get you to click on a story for likes and views. Check the government and RSPCA websites for reliable figures and facts. The number one dog most likely to bite you in the UK? That beautiful, loving , faithful and cuddly Labrador!!!

Nice try, but the labrador is less likely to kill you with its bite.

ChristmasfoodisOverrated · 12/12/2024 12:06

Pets or not, the existing ones all need put down too; they are too unpredictable and dangerous.

Professionaldogtrainer · 12/12/2024 12:07

HeadacheEarthquake · 12/12/2024 12:03

Nice try, but the labrador is less likely to kill you with its bite.

9 deaths by Labrador attacks in UK. Government figure. Does every dog attack end in death? The story I posted for was a child bitten but not killed.

ShamblesRock · 12/12/2024 12:12

HeadacheEarthquake · 12/12/2024 12:01

BBC News - Two held as baby hurt in suspected XL bully attack
www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zgng1k5yo

Dreadful, but we're back at "..had never shown any form of aggression and was out of character."

And apparently the baby and dog were like "two peas in a pod."

TroysMammy · 12/12/2024 12:15

ShamblesRock · 12/12/2024 12:12

Dreadful, but we're back at "..had never shown any form of aggression and was out of character."

And apparently the baby and dog were like "two peas in a pod."

The two peas in a pod quote also had me thinking wtf?

Professionaldogtrainer · 12/12/2024 12:16

Professionaldogtrainer · 12/12/2024 12:07

9 deaths by Labrador attacks in UK. Government figure. Does every dog attack end in death? The story I posted for was a child bitten but not killed.

As an afterthought. I did say XL breed should be destroyed. I am definitely not defending the breed or the owner. I would make attack by dog a prosecutable offence similar to an attack with a lethal weapon if I had my way. I'm a dog trainer with a cockapoo and a golden retriever. Both highly trained , but I would never leave them with a child unsupervised.

SerendipityJane · 12/12/2024 12:17

If dogs (and I couldn't give two shits about the smokescreen of "breeds" that seems to be stopping definitive action) can't be controlled in the owners homes, then why in the name of all that is holy are we allowing them into our public spaces ?

devilspawn · 12/12/2024 12:19

Rummly · 08/11/2024 15:55

We need ‘big or dangerous’ dogs legislation.

First extend the breed bans.

Then any dog that isn’t banned outright and is capable of killing of inflicting terrible injury - Rottweilers, Dobermans, Alsatians, Staffies, the whole lot of them - should be subject to restrictions.

The dangerous non-banned breeds should at the very least be required by law to be muzzled at all times in public.

Edited

Won't help, they can (and do) breed new varieties faster than the legislation to ban them.

StrawberryWater · 12/12/2024 12:21

HeadacheEarthquake · 12/12/2024 12:01

BBC News - Two held as baby hurt in suspected XL bully attack
www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zgng1k5yo

"the dog and the baby were like 'two peas in a pod'"

WTF is wrong with people. Yeah let's just put a 100lb plus banned dog breed with a dodgy temperament around a baby.

Sometimes I despair.

ChristmasfoodisOverrated · 12/12/2024 12:28

StrawberryWater · 12/12/2024 12:21

"the dog and the baby were like 'two peas in a pod'"

WTF is wrong with people. Yeah let's just put a 100lb plus banned dog breed with a dodgy temperament around a baby.

Sometimes I despair.

Exactly this. How many times do we hear "dog is usually so friendly, and well looked after, they had been on their own loads together etc etc." This isn't your average family dog. It is a huge dangerous unpredictable dog. It isn't just bad owners which is horrendous enough, but even in the best hands this dog is too much of a risk, especially around children. One tiny thing can set them off, and they can overpower. They have even turned on their owners before. They need taken out of peoples houses and destroyed. Imo other dogs that can overpower humans need muzzled as well in public at all times, I don't care how "friendly" it is.

SerendipityJane · 12/12/2024 12:28

devilspawn · 12/12/2024 12:19

Won't help, they can (and do) breed new varieties faster than the legislation to ban them.

Depends on your view, really. As I noted I don't give two shits what you call your pooch or think it is classed as. But as long as I am in a minority, nothing will ever be done.

Let's be honest. If anyone was going to do anything, it would have been done by now.

Clearly the UK as a whole feels the number of dogs attacks is acceptable. I just wish folk were more honest about it.

bombastix · 12/12/2024 12:29

SerendipityJane · 12/12/2024 12:28

Depends on your view, really. As I noted I don't give two shits what you call your pooch or think it is classed as. But as long as I am in a minority, nothing will ever be done.

Let's be honest. If anyone was going to do anything, it would have been done by now.

Clearly the UK as a whole feels the number of dogs attacks is acceptable. I just wish folk were more honest about it.

Agree. If we cared, we do things differently

ThomasPatrickKeatingsDegas · 12/12/2024 12:36

“Another family member said the baby and the dog were "like two peas in a pod".
She added that the mother of the injured baby was "devastated".
"It is shocking. You see and hear about it all the time, but you don't actually think it is going to happen to your own family," she said.”

you see and read about it, but you don’t think to keep an XL bully away from your baby. Absolute thickos. Wish they had been mauled instead of their child. Honestly it would be better if SS removed the child to be with a family that aren’t selfish and thick.

ChristmasfoodisOverrated · 12/12/2024 12:42

I try to teach my dcs not to be afraid of dogs, but the truth is some are dangerous and I don't want them anywhere near. I have told them if there is a dog I feel is a risk I will make sure I keep them out of the way. This means any dog that is capable of overpowering, and not on a lead, or with one of those spaced out owners whose dog is walking them, we will do our best to stay away. There is one idiot man who stands looking drugged up, with his huge muscular, dangerous dog not on a lead on the main school route where all of the children walk, run by. Honestly, they are ignorant, and you know if it attacked, he would be the first to say what 'a lovely dog' it is, and play the victim.
What kind of world do we live in, where these dogs are put before human life? Honestly get powerful dogs muzzled in public, and remove existing banned breed pets from homes. These children need protected, seeing as how their pathetic parents aren't going to do it.

TrixieFatell · 12/12/2024 12:53

I don't get the arguement "they'll just replace it with another breed". And? We can get rid of that breed too then.

Also "I'd trust my dog more then other humans". It's a dog. I don't trust even trust my dog with my sandwich. This anthropomorphism of dogs or any animals needs to stop

ChristmasfoodisOverrated · 12/12/2024 12:56

TrixieFatell · 12/12/2024 12:53

I don't get the arguement "they'll just replace it with another breed". And? We can get rid of that breed too then.

Also "I'd trust my dog more then other humans". It's a dog. I don't trust even trust my dog with my sandwich. This anthropomorphism of dogs or any animals needs to stop

100%, any dog is capable of attacking, even with good owners. If it is huge, and can overpower than more needs to be done. These kind of breeds are status symbols for some people; they like others to be scared.

Alina3 · 12/12/2024 12:57

GreenSkiesAtNight · 08/11/2024 15:13

This isn't some moral dilemma that a nation of vegans is facing. Just cull them already.

As a vegan, I want them all culled.

mossylog · 12/12/2024 13:08

Professionaldogtrainer · 12/12/2024 12:07

9 deaths by Labrador attacks in UK. Government figure. Does every dog attack end in death? The story I posted for was a child bitten but not killed.

I think you may have made up those figures, I don't think anyone has been killed by a labrador in the UK.

These kinds of comparisons are always so disingenuous. Bully XLs have killed a more people in a lot shorter time than any other dog breed in the UK. Most people can fend off most dogs if they turn— even a child could fight a whippet or a French Bulldog— but some dogs are dangerous even for adults, and some dogs are more prone to aggressive turns. No one ever reads news of greyhounds going on a rampage.

List of fatal dog attacks in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

SerendipityJane · 12/12/2024 13:58

What kind of world do we live in, where these dogs are put before human life?

(checks) UK to date.

AlexaSetATimer · 12/12/2024 14:05

The number one dog most likely to bite you in the UK? That beautiful, loving , faithful and cuddly Labrador!!!

Statistics matter. Well, the number of Labradors is huge so even if say 1% of labs bite, that could be more than a breed with fewer numbers but 25% of those bite.
I know which one, cuddly lab or xl bully, I'd rather take my chances with.

SerendipityJane · 12/12/2024 14:11

AlexaSetATimer · 12/12/2024 14:05

The number one dog most likely to bite you in the UK? That beautiful, loving , faithful and cuddly Labrador!!!

Statistics matter. Well, the number of Labradors is huge so even if say 1% of labs bite, that could be more than a breed with fewer numbers but 25% of those bite.
I know which one, cuddly lab or xl bully, I'd rather take my chances with.

How do the statistics pan out about severity of injuries inflicted by a Labrador compared to an XL bully ?

Guns harm more people than knives in the UK. So they are clearly safer.