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Where is Kamala?

434 replies

Annabella92 · 06/11/2024 18:30

Just saw this post on X, and I tend to agree...

"Kamala lost as she campaigned - a coward who couldn't face the media, couldn't handle the pressure. Didn't even have the character required to concede on election night. Went home to sulk. The opposite of presidential material."

Really and truly was there nobody with any substance the Democrats could have put forward. What on earth did they expect. The bar was so low.

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NoCarbsForMe · 06/11/2024 22:21

KoalaCalledKevin · 06/11/2024 18:50

"Went home to sulk. The opposite of presidential material."

The person who said this must have no sense of irony whatsoever.

Exactly

Sandygoldenbeaches · 06/11/2024 22:22

Trump is some fool

Efrogwraig · 06/11/2024 22:24

Bellatrixpure · 06/11/2024 18:34

They usually call to congratulate the winner, wonder if she has managed to do this

Yes, she has.

Apolloneuro · 06/11/2024 22:24

I thought she gave a brave, eloquent speech. I can’t believe the country has elected that vile man. Even for cheaper fuel or to lessen immigration, it’s not worth doing a deal with the devil.

capitanaamerica · 06/11/2024 22:25

My state had its results for the Presidential race declared DURING VP Harris's speech (that's AP; most of the other outlets still have it in play) so I say she was exactly on time. Results of our Senate race and House races are still undeclared. Other states are still outstanding.

What matters in the USA is that the losing candidate for the Presidency calls the winning one and concedes when it becomes clear that critical mass has been reached (this is always an estimate, because electoral votes are not yet officially committed) IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION; that already happened. You can quibble about the timing if you want, but there isn't really a precedent on that. As for her disappointing her supporters by not speaking last night, even just to say she wouldn't speak until today - I'm not going to say that no one was disappointed because everyone's an individual, but what she did - having someone else say she would speak later - is totally normal and uncontroversial in this context.

You also have to understand that in the USA, unlike the UK, the political parties who are NOT the party of government don't have a leader. Right now, Biden leads the Dems and Trump leads the Republicans; Harris has no official standing and so what she said in this speech was incredibly important. It is her one chance to speak and wrap this up. Given the things I have seen today I think her supporters were in the main happy to give her the time to get it right.

I've been in the UK for several general elections, and the systems just don't compare. If people need a UK touchpoint, I'd say a Presidential race is NOT like a General Election, where each seat has its results officially announced with every candidate standing by and speaking where appropriate, and the number of seats won adds up mathematically to who becomes PM (or, rarely, who has first shot at forming a coalition). If a comparison is needed, I'd say the US Presidential vote is more like a referendum in the UK, or parts of it. I was there too for both the Brexit and Scottish Independence referendums, and frankly I thought both were conceded too soon, without enough scrutiny, and perhaps with not as much thought put into the speeches as I would have expected. That's not a criticism of the UK (or Scotland), just a reminder that things are done differently in different places.

I think that Harris's speech comforted those it was meant to comfort, and inspired those it was meant to inspire. If that's not you and you're still sore about it, then maybe take it as a reminder that not absolutely everything ever is about you and only you.

R053 · 06/11/2024 22:27

What a classy, dignified concession speech.

I liked that the past 4 years was relatively quiet in the US, compared to the chaos before that which ended with the riot on Capitol Hill with gallows for Pence!

Maray1967 · 06/11/2024 22:27

Annabella92 · 06/11/2024 18:30

Just saw this post on X, and I tend to agree...

"Kamala lost as she campaigned - a coward who couldn't face the media, couldn't handle the pressure. Didn't even have the character required to concede on election night. Went home to sulk. The opposite of presidential material."

Really and truly was there nobody with any substance the Democrats could have put forward. What on earth did they expect. The bar was so low.

Seriously? Just have a little think about what the scumbag who has won did four years ago - invite a riot which led to deaths.

Taking time to compose a response is fine. Encouraging a bunch of morons to storm the Capitol was not.

Sandygoldenbeaches · 06/11/2024 22:33

I miss Kamala.

Sandygoldenbeaches · 06/11/2024 22:33

I wonder do any of them have post election regret

Takoneko · 06/11/2024 22:35

Sheri99 · 06/11/2024 22:12

HARRIS HAD to say what she said and NOT question the vote! 😂 NOT because she was more graceful or whatever, but because:

  1. this election, BOTH the POPULAR vote as WELL as the ELECTORAL vote went to Trump by a great WIDE margin THIS election. When Trump lost to Biden four years ago, it was by so slim a margin Trump and many Americans thought something was wrong because Biden tried for years to become President, and just wasn't a leader material TOTALLY political career - and in fact he had many bad moments in his political career; and 2) This campaign the Dems USED Trump's questioning Biden's win in 2020 against him, and the Jan 6 riot, to try to WHIP up enough votes, but it didn't work! The Dems do not realize, how the people who were at the riot were PUNISHED far beyond what all Americans felt they should have been punished. That punishment of flag waving AMERICANS coming DURING the time BLM rioters burned, terrorized, and pillaged for MONTHS and NO ONE punished those rioters. It was unjust punishment and that turned the stomachs of many Americans.

This is utter nonsense.

Trump is expected to win 311 electoral college votes (presuming he wins both the states yet to be called). Biden won 306. Trump currently leads Harris by 3.4% in the popular vote, Biden beat Trump by 3.5%. The margin of victory is virtually identical.

Anyone with access to google can very easily access these figures.

Attelina · 06/11/2024 22:40

She's been taken out the back door and driven to a dungeon where the Hillary Clinton is waiting with a rubber hose

Dymaxion · 06/11/2024 22:40

Let's be honest, the rest of the world isn't thinking 'gosh where is Kamala ?' Grin

chaosmaker · 06/11/2024 22:50

He might die before he's sworn in? He's old after all

timenowplease · 06/11/2024 22:52

WooleyMunky · 06/11/2024 22:06

Issues that concerned the LGBT community - that the right and culture war types painted as 'woke'.
Trump and his odious campaign recognised that these could be marginalised.

I get that. I'm asking you what issues specifically please.

Dymaxion · 06/11/2024 22:59

He might die before he's sworn in? He's old after all

He might be the oldest presidential candidate to make President, but when the next election comes round again he will only be a year older than Biden is now.

herecomesautumn · 06/11/2024 23:01

What a nasty little thread

She wasn't encouraging riots

Sad sad day

derxa · 06/11/2024 23:01

I like Kamala but I’m glad Trump won. If only for the sake of the poor children potentially butchered in the name of transitioning. We will look back at this shameful period and shiver

MiscellaneousSupportHuman · 06/11/2024 23:03

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 06/11/2024 20:19

Yes, I wonder why Kamala, a black woman, would be held to a higher standard than those who went before her?

I assume you're younger, and think that going back to 2008 is a long time. I see it as very recent

And remember the time difference - no-one was expecting her to make the concession speech on the day of the election (big straw argument there). But they were expecting it earlier in the day following than 5pm (ish - depending on which time zone) when the result had been clear all day.

Takoneko · 06/11/2024 23:04

chaosmaker · 06/11/2024 22:50

He might die before he's sworn in? He's old after all

If he were to die before he is sworn in then that raises a very interesting constitutional question. There is no mechanism for another election, but the order of succession in the event of the death of a president is written with the presumption that it happens after they actually take office. Next in line is the vice president, which is Kamala Harris and not JD Vance. It would probably unleash chaos if it were to happen. Let’s hope his doctors are advising him not to strain too hard on the toilet between now and the end of January.

derxa · 06/11/2024 23:05

chaosmaker · 06/11/2024 22:50

He might die before he's sworn in? He's old after all

Oh FFS

Dymaxion · 06/11/2024 23:05

How did the massive cheating in Philadelphia pan out, does anyone know ?

Dymaxion · 06/11/2024 23:08

Or the bomb hoax threats that originated from Russia ?

juldan · 06/11/2024 23:15

Sheri99 · 06/11/2024 22:12

HARRIS HAD to say what she said and NOT question the vote! 😂 NOT because she was more graceful or whatever, but because:

  1. this election, BOTH the POPULAR vote as WELL as the ELECTORAL vote went to Trump by a great WIDE margin THIS election. When Trump lost to Biden four years ago, it was by so slim a margin Trump and many Americans thought something was wrong because Biden tried for years to become President, and just wasn't a leader material TOTALLY political career - and in fact he had many bad moments in his political career; and 2) This campaign the Dems USED Trump's questioning Biden's win in 2020 against him, and the Jan 6 riot, to try to WHIP up enough votes, but it didn't work! The Dems do not realize, how the people who were at the riot were PUNISHED far beyond what all Americans felt they should have been punished. That punishment of flag waving AMERICANS coming DURING the time BLM rioters burned, terrorized, and pillaged for MONTHS and NO ONE punished those rioters. It was unjust punishment and that turned the stomachs of many Americans.

@Sheri99

What a disgusting, untruthful, racist post.
Get your facts straight.

  1. In 2020 BIDEN won both BOTH the POPULAR vote as WELL as ELECTORAL COLLEGE. His margins were good. 7000 000 in popular vote and 306 to 232 in ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
  2. There was nothing wrong with the election. In 2020 AMERICANS had enough of Trump and were ready for Biden’s presidency.
  3. What happened on 6th January was NOTHING like BLM protests. Bunch of aggressive supremacists stormed the Captiol after they lost democratic elections. They were NOT waving flags, they actually got inside and were threatening elected officials. There are several records from politicians who were hiding in offices as bunch of lunatics were running around, yelling their names. AOC gave quite a detailed account of what happened to her and it sounded terrifying.
  4. BLM protesters were fighting for their rights and against police racism and brutality. I am not excusing riots, the rioters should be punished. However, the people who took part in BLM protests had every right to be angry, unlike the 6th January rioters.
  5. Btw, the BLM protests were AMERICANS as well!!
BellissimoGecko · 06/11/2024 23:17

Annabella92 · 06/11/2024 18:31

Oh she's going to be making a speech soon...

About time. The silence has been deafening

At least she called. She wasn't too much of a coward to call (like Trump was when he lost). 🙄🙄

adriftinadenofvipers · 06/11/2024 23:17

Sheri99 · 06/11/2024 22:12

HARRIS HAD to say what she said and NOT question the vote! 😂 NOT because she was more graceful or whatever, but because:

  1. this election, BOTH the POPULAR vote as WELL as the ELECTORAL vote went to Trump by a great WIDE margin THIS election. When Trump lost to Biden four years ago, it was by so slim a margin Trump and many Americans thought something was wrong because Biden tried for years to become President, and just wasn't a leader material TOTALLY political career - and in fact he had many bad moments in his political career; and 2) This campaign the Dems USED Trump's questioning Biden's win in 2020 against him, and the Jan 6 riot, to try to WHIP up enough votes, but it didn't work! The Dems do not realize, how the people who were at the riot were PUNISHED far beyond what all Americans felt they should have been punished. That punishment of flag waving AMERICANS coming DURING the time BLM rioters burned, terrorized, and pillaged for MONTHS and NO ONE punished those rioters. It was unjust punishment and that turned the stomachs of many Americans.

What is this madness???

Anyone with the most miniscule sliver of anything half approaching a brain could see that Trump lost in 2020, and he has never accepted it!

Biden could have stood for President at the end of Obama's 2nd term, and didn't.

Anyone rioting or inciting riots should have been punished with the full force of the law, and that includes your precious Trump, who as his usual teflon-coated self, got away with it.

The re-election of Trump has turned the stomachs of most of the rest of the free world.