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To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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notsorighteousthesedays · 06/11/2024 06:43

I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

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Livelovebehappy · 06/11/2024 11:49

Pipsquiggle · 06/11/2024 11:46

I feel that Trump is just a version of BoJo combined with Farage on steroids.

They speak directly to the people who feel poor or are poor. Trump says a load of bollocks, but it's their bollocks that they understand so they put up with ALL his ugly, disgusting flaws.

In the same way that Reform talk shite, tell this group of people what they want to hear but deny they caused the problem of the UK being poorer .......Brexit, -4% GDP, lack of public funding into schools, NHS, infrastructure.

Trump / BoJo / Farage lie and lie and lie; it's who they are. Whilst they feather their own pockets and make their mates richer, They don't give a fuck about people on benefits or making their lives easier.

But populism and lies prevail. God help us all.

And of course Labour do give a fuck about us all - tell that to the pensioners just above the bread line who’ve had their winter fuel allowance axed in favour of giving a 22% pay rise to junior doctors, still in training.

Navyblue214 · 06/11/2024 11:49

Doteycat · 06/11/2024 11:35

Not Amercian, But im utterly disgusted this morning.
Heartsore and horrified.
A Rapist in the Whitehouse.
My DDs are horrified.
All I can say, is, they voted Hitler in.
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Get fucked with your Maga BS.
Its disgusting.

I don't like this result either, but I wouldn't say Trump is Hitler. It's not that he doesn't want to be a dictator. He may want to, but there are many obstacles in the American system that he can't overcome to get there. I think today, the only person who can be compared to Hitler is Xi Jinping, the real dictator.

alottobedone · 06/11/2024 11:49

Willyoujustbequiet · 06/11/2024 09:40

I'm aware.

It does not change the fact that on the evidence he was found to be liable and Kaplan stated it was rape.

I just googled this again. It looks like he was found liable for sexual assault by the jury first time round, not rape. Trump then sued for defamation and in response to this, the judge said that he thought that what Carroll said was "substantially true" and that it could be said to be rape even if there had not been penetration, even though this went against the NY definition of rape, and therefore Trump was not successful re defamation. Trump is appealing. Is that right?

GenderRealistBloke · 06/11/2024 11:49

@thepariscrimefiles

Do you stand by your condemnation of castration of children, now that you are aware that it happens?

HecatesBees · 06/11/2024 11:50

Another2Cats · 06/11/2024 11:17

"No one is calling for abortions at birth"

You are mistaken. Abortions on request up until birth are freely available in Oregon. You can literally request an abortion the day before the baby is due.

The laws are similar, I believe, in New Mexico, Colorado, Minnesota, Michigan, Maryland, New Jersey and Vermont.

Key Takeaways
Abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon and represent 1% of all abortions in the U.S. The procedures are expensive and often require travel and lost wages. They normally require treatment over multiple days and are only performed by a subset of all abortion providers.
Claims of abortions occurring “moments before birth” or even “after birth” are false. These scenarios do not occur, nor are they legal in the United States.
https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/abortions-later-in-pregnancy-in-a-post-dobbs-era/

What is a so-called “late-term” abortion?
“Late term” abortion typically refers to abortions obtained at or after 21 weeks, however it is not an accepted medical term, nor is there a consensus around to which gestational ages it refers. Members of the medical community have criticized the term “late-term” abortion, as it implies abortions are taking place after a pregnancy has reached “term” (37 weeks) or “late term” (>41 weeks) which is false. In fact, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) has written that “late-term abortion” has no medical meaning. As such, this brief discusses abortions occurring at ≥21 weeks gestation as abortions later in pregnancy, but it should be noted that 21 weeks is a largely arbitrary cutoff based on how the CDC collects data on abortions. Abortions at this stage in pregnancy are sometimes referred to as “later abortions” by the medical community as well.

Why do people have abortions later in pregnancy?
Individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy for a number of reasons. As part of the Turnaway study out of the University of California San Francisco, from 2008-2010 over 440 women were asked about why they experienced delays in obtaining abortion care, if any (Figure 4). Almost half of individuals who obtained an abortion after 20 weeks did not suspect they were pregnant until later in pregnancy, and other barriers to care included lack of information about where to access an abortion, transportation difficulties, lack of insurance coverage and inability to pay for the procedure. A 2022 study of patients seeking abortions later in pregnancy found that they fell into two categories: either they had learned new information about their pregnancies that made them no longer desirable, such as not finding out they were pregnant until very late in the pregnancy or the emergence of serious fetal or their own health issue; or experiencing barriers to abortion services earlier in the pregnancy that force them to delay the abortion until the third trimester.

Delays Stemming from Financial Barriers to Abortion Access: Abortions can be cost-prohibitive for many; a study examining abortion costs in 2021 found that the median out-of-pocket self-pay costs for medication abortion services was $568, $625 for first trimester procedural abortions, and $775 for second trimester procedural abortions (range $465 to $2,885). These costs do not account for lodging and transportation costs, loss of work or childcare costs, which can drive the price higher. Third trimester abortion costs can range from a couple thousand dollars to over $25,000, depending on how far along the pregnancy is and how clinically complex it is. The Federal Reserve Board found 32% of U.S. adults do not have enough in savings to pay for a $400 emergency expense, meaning many individuals may need to delay having an abortion until they can raise the necessary funds.
Fetal Anomalies: Individuals also seek abortions later in pregnancy due to medical reasons. With medical advances, many genetic fetal anomalies can be detected early in pregnancy; for example, chorionic villus sampling can diagnose Down Syndrome or cystic fibrosis as earlier as 10 weeks gestation. Structural fetal anomalies, however, are often detected much later in pregnancy. As part of routine care, a fetal anatomy scan is performed around 20 weeks, which entails ultrasound imaging of all the developing organs. Many structural anomalies are discovered at this time that would not have been apparent previously. A proportion of these are lethal fetal anomalies, meaning that the fetus will almost certainly die before or shortly after birth, meaning the fetus may be nonviable (consensus does not always exist as to which anomalies are fatal, and thus nonviable). In these cases, many individuals wish to terminate their pregnancies, rather than risk carrying the pregnancy until the fetus or newborn passes away. Very often these pregnancies are desired, making this decision exceedingly difficult for parents. Inadequate data exist to know how many abortions later in pregnancy occur due to fetal anomalies, but a study by Washington University Hospital showed almost all women whose fetuses had lethal fetal anomalies chose to terminate their pregnancies. Three (Alabama, Indiana and West Virginia) of the fourteen states with abortion bans and five states with early gestational bans (Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Utah) currently have exceptions for pregnancies with lethal fetal anomalies, but it is unknown whether any abortions under these exemptions have occurred. Among the states with viability or near viability bans, Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts and New Hampshire have exemptions for fetal anomalies. Pregnant people who reside in states where abortion is banned and with no fetal anomaly exceptions who are unable to travel out of state can be forced to carry their pregnancies to term and deliver infants who are stillborn or die shortly after birth.
A 2011 survey of maternal fetal medicine (MFM) doctors—specialists who manage pregnancies with fetal anomalies— found most agreed that termination of pregnancy due to a lethal fetal anomaly should be allowed in all circumstances (76%). The majority (75%) discuss abortion as a management option soon after diagnosing a lethal fetal anomaly, but services for terminating pregnancies in these scenarios are limited. Even over decade before the Dobbs decision, only 40% of MFM doctors worked at healthcare centers offering abortions past 24 weeks for lethal fetal anomalies. An additional 12% knew of available services <50 miles away.

When during pregnancy do most abortions occur?
The vast majority of abortions occur during the first trimester of a pregnancy. In 2021, 93% of abortions occurred during the first trimester – that is, at or before 13 weeks of gestation, according to the CDC. An additional 6% occurred between 14 and 20 weeks of pregnancy, and about 1% were performed at 21 weeks or more of gestation. These CDC figures include data from 40 states and New York City, but not the rest of New York.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/03/25/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-us/

What the data says about abortion in the U.S.

The U.S. abortion rate has generally declined since the 1980s, but there have been slight upticks in the late 2010s and early 2020s.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/03/25/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-us

Bunnygirl1902 · 06/11/2024 11:51

thepariscrimefiles · 06/11/2024 11:42

You call a very timid Labour government 'communist'? Hopefully, they will become bolder and implement proper left wing policies like taxing the rich. You'll have something to cry about then!

Why don't you go on benefits if they are so massive? You can live like a king on Universal Credit.

Why punish people who've worked hard to earn more with extra tax? Talk about 'tell me you're a communist without telling me you're a communist' just by that very dull statement.

Stop being bitter about people that earn more and put the effort into being better yourself.

And I would rather starve than live with the shame of going on benefits. There is no dignity in handouts

EasternStandard · 06/11/2024 11:51

I haven't rtft but you're better off looking at why the democrats lost and why Trump won

Rather than this disappointment in people stuff, they tend to vote how they wish despite a random person's feelings

HecatesBees · 06/11/2024 11:51

Well done Oregan

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Oregon law protects a pregnant person's right to have an abortion and there are no legal restrictions on abortion access:

No restrictions: Oregon has no restrictions on abortion based on how far along in pregnancy you are, and there are no required waiting periods.

Medication abortion: You can access medication abortion pills by mail within Oregon.

Parental consent: You don't need parental consent to get an abortion if you're 16 or 17, but you do need parental consent if you're under 15.

U.S. citizenship: You don't need to be a U.S. citizen to get abortion services in Oregon.

Out-of-state residents: You don't need to be an Oregon resident to get abortion services in Oregon.

The two main types of abortion are medication abortion and procedural abortion, and both are safe and effective. The type of procedure you have depends on how far along you are in your pregnancy and the provider you choose.

The June 2022 U.S. Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade did not change Oregon laws protecting a pregnant person's right to have an abortion.

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alottobedone · 06/11/2024 11:52

HecatesBees · 06/11/2024 09:42

Erm, In the US, the women calling for total body autonomy ie abortion at chioce right up to term is not reasonable either If a woman needs an abortion at any time, then who are you to say she cant.

No one is calling for abortions at birth, all women want is the ability to have a safe abortion if they need it.

If you are saying women can choose to have an abortion right up to the point of birth, then I think you are being unreasonable. I think the law in the UK is reasonable. Just to clarify.

Doteycat · 06/11/2024 11:52

Navyblue214 · 06/11/2024 11:49

I don't like this result either, but I wouldn't say Trump is Hitler. It's not that he doesn't want to be a dictator. He may want to, but there are many obstacles in the American system that he can't overcome to get there. I think today, the only person who can be compared to Hitler is Xi Jinping, the real dictator.

No, I said they voted in Hitler.
HItler himself.
Which they did, in germany.
Thats how it starts.

Livelovebehappy · 06/11/2024 11:52

Doteycat · 06/11/2024 11:35

Not Amercian, But im utterly disgusted this morning.
Heartsore and horrified.
A Rapist in the Whitehouse.
My DDs are horrified.
All I can say, is, they voted Hitler in.
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Get fucked with your Maga BS.
Its disgusting.

What did he do specifically in his last term in office which provokes so much hatred and fear in you? He didn’t show traits of Hitler then, so what’s changed since?

BeethovenNinth · 06/11/2024 11:53

Who knew that if you tell people they are stupid and thick and racist they might not vote the way you want

ThatCyanFox · 06/11/2024 11:53

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HecatesBees · 06/11/2024 11:53

Mekumeku · 06/11/2024 11:44

Young women will be less likely to be raped and murdered under a Trump administration, given that criminals (most who already have long rap sheets before they commit greater crimes) will be more likely to be locked up and kept in prison.

With regards to abortion... It blows my mind that you lot are so obsessed with killing babies. You need help. An American woman can go to a blue state and kill her baby there, there is no need to act like she has no access to abortion at all. Perhaps don't have unprotected sex if you don't want to get pregnant, or consider getting a temporary IUD if you are at the time of the month where the emergency contraceptive pill will likely be ineffective. Left-wing women have no concept of personal responsibility.

Your views are anti women and have no place in the modern world

Feelingathomenow · 06/11/2024 11:54

Willyoujustbequiet · 06/11/2024 09:32

What she and her supporters do or don't do doesn't change the fact that he was found liable.

Rapist.

I’m not saying it alters anything he has done. Where did I say that. I am saying that the other choice was also women hating, just in a different way.

thepariscrimefiles · 06/11/2024 11:54

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 06/11/2024 11:42

Source?

White voters without college degrees have long represented Trump’s base of support, something that has remained constant. A shift has occurred among White college-educated voters. They narrowly backed Trump in 2016, but Harris won them by about 10 points in 2024, a split driven by both men and women. Harris won White women with a college degree by about 20 points — an improvement over both Biden and Clinton.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2024/politics/2020-2016-exit-polls-2024-dg/

Anatomy of three Trump elections: How Americans voted in 2024 vs. 2020 and 2016

CNN's exit poll results reveal a divided country.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2024/politics/2020-2016-exit-polls-2024-dg

PaterPower · 06/11/2024 11:55

Mekumeku · 06/11/2024 11:44

Young women will be less likely to be raped and murdered under a Trump administration, given that criminals (most who already have long rap sheets before they commit greater crimes) will be more likely to be locked up and kept in prison.

With regards to abortion... It blows my mind that you lot are so obsessed with killing babies. You need help. An American woman can go to a blue state and kill her baby there, there is no need to act like she has no access to abortion at all. Perhaps don't have unprotected sex if you don't want to get pregnant, or consider getting a temporary IUD if you are at the time of the month where the emergency contraceptive pill will likely be ineffective. Left-wing women have no concept of personal responsibility.

That hypothetical woman going to a blue state will, in some red states, be going home to a criminal charge if she’s been unwise enough to tell medical professionals there that she might be pregnant.

Savemydrink · 06/11/2024 11:56

Ottersmith · 06/11/2024 11:37

The fact is that Americans just don't like women. Any man would have beaten Trump. They will never vote in a woman.

No, they just don’t like stupid women

HecatesBees · 06/11/2024 11:56

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Mmhmmn · 06/11/2024 11:44

They certainly left it too late with getting Biden out of the way and I doubt Biden would have won if he'd stayed. I wonder what would have happened if they had gone with, say, Josh Shapiro, the Gov of Pennsylvania. Maybe it was always going to be a case of getting the incumbent government out though because of living costs, inflation, immigration etc. But how awful that they'd rather vote in a narcissistic fascist than a decent woman.

In hindsight all the celebrity endorsements of Harris make a fool of that campaign and the Dems generally. The likes of mega rich Taylor Swift, Gaga, Clooney, Julia Roberts etc etc don't exactly face the same economic or day to day realities as the average person.

This is very true.

I don't think for a second that Biden could have won. The Democrats fumbled this, and they clearly do seem like an out-of-touch educated elite to a majority of Americans. Lessons for Labour here, too.

user1486984759 · 06/11/2024 11:57

Navyblue214 · 06/11/2024 11:49

I don't like this result either, but I wouldn't say Trump is Hitler. It's not that he doesn't want to be a dictator. He may want to, but there are many obstacles in the American system that he can't overcome to get there. I think today, the only person who can be compared to Hitler is Xi Jinping, the real dictator.

Edelman Trust Barometer 2024 would like to have a word with you: images.app.goo.gl/SW9a9iP3PNaeEKNL9

Doteycat · 06/11/2024 11:57

Savemydrink · 06/11/2024 11:56

No, they just don’t like stupid women

Your ignorance is showing.
Are you actually trying to say Kamala harris Is stupid?
Fucking Mortified for you, how do you tie your laces?

Livelovebehappy · 06/11/2024 11:58

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👏 exactly. Hilarious that people on MN, an anti brexit, anti Tory, anti Trump or anti anything slightly to the right forum are shocked to their core that people outside of this forum would actually dare to not share their views. Particularly when they’ve labelled them, thick, racist individuals. How dare they……..

AnonymousBleep · 06/11/2024 11:59

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How come this election was democratic but the last one wasn't? How did the Democrats not manage to 'steal' this election when they're actually in power, unlike last time? I assume Trump won't be contesting the result seeing as he won, but we all know he'd have claimed the election was stolen if he hadn't. Could you explain why please?

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