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To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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notsorighteousthesedays · 06/11/2024 06:43

I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

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Lyannaa · 06/11/2024 11:20

A woman has never won the election Kamala Harris is an attorney and that still wasn't enough. They should have put a man up against Trump he would never have won.

I, for one most definitely have underestimated how reluctant Americans still are to elect a woman for president. I thought Hilary didn't get elected because of her baggage.

wowzelcat · 06/11/2024 11:20

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 06/11/2024 11:13

But it's not a violent fantasy is it?

You want it to be so you have to lie.

The Independent literally called it that. Not just me. The Arizona prosecutor investigated his comments as a death threat. Not just me.
Sticking to what I said, which is truthful.

Livelovebehappy · 06/11/2024 11:20

youheard · 06/11/2024 11:18

No, I didn't say every single person that voted for his is unintelligent, I said Americans are largely unintelligent. Some unintelligent people will have voted for Harris. The fact you can't extrapolate from a basic sentence isn't a sign of high intellect though.

Funniest and most ridiculous comment on here. Americans are largely unintelligent? Let’s hope they’re not on MN, because if they base the UKs intelligence on some of the posts on this site, then we’re screwed..

AnonymousBleep · 06/11/2024 11:21

DonnaBanana · 06/11/2024 11:18

The problem is Kamala Harris has had four years to prove she's any good at the job by being VP and what has she achieved? Even if you hate Trump and dislike the things he did, he can point to having done all sorts of things that his supporters like. What has Harris done for liberal voters? A Harris presidency would be four years of status quo and voters seem to want action.

She and Biden were both dreadful candidates - the Democrats have been warned/known about this for years so it's baffling why they didn't do anything about it and get some stronger candidates lined up.

budgetday · 06/11/2024 11:21

@Another2Cats Really? I had to go and ask ChatGPT whether abortions were available up until birth in America and this was the response I got:

No, abortions up until birth are not broadly available or legal across the United States. Abortion laws vary significantly by state, and most states have restrictions on when an abortion can be performed, with many states restricting access after fetal viability (typically around 24 weeks, though this can vary). Here’s a general breakdown of how U.S. abortion laws handle late-term abortion:
1. Fetal Viability Limits: Most states restrict abortions after the point at which a fetus is considered viable, which generally occurs around 24 weeks of pregnancy. In many states, abortions after this point are only allowed if the mother’s life or health is at serious risk or if there are severe fetal abnormalities.
2. Exceptions for Health and Life: In states where abortions are restricted after viability, exceptions are typically made if the pregnant person’s life or health is at risk. Health exceptions often consider both physical and mental health but can vary in definition by state.
3. Bans on Specific Gestational Ages: Some states have more restrictive gestational limits, like 20-week bans. In recent years, some states have moved to restrict abortions even earlier, at around 6-12 weeks.
4. “Late-Term” Abortions: The term “late-term abortion” is not a medical term but is sometimes used politically. Medically, abortions performed later in pregnancy are rare and often occur due to severe fetal anomalies or serious risks to the mother’s health. These abortions are typically only available in cases of severe medical need.
5. Federal Law and State Differences: Since the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2022 decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, which overturned Roe v. Wade, states have more power to set their own abortion laws. As a result, there is a patchwork of laws across the country. Some states have significantly restricted or banned abortion altogether, while others, like California, New York, and Illinois, have more permissive laws.

In summary, while some states have less restrictive laws on later-term abortions, these are generally only available in medically necessary situations, not as elective procedures up until birth.

nolongersurprised · 06/11/2024 11:21

thepariscrimefiles · 06/11/2024 10:58

The castration of a child, yes. But nobody is doing that.

A male child in early puberty who is then started on puberty blockers followed by cross sex hormones will be infertile and never have an orgasm.

so - chemically castrated.

Don’t forget that the monstrous Rachel Levine lobbied WPATH to remove age limits for “gender affirming” hormones and surgeries on children.

Im not pleased Trump won but I’m pleased that evil bastard, Levine is out.

Livelovebehappy · 06/11/2024 11:22

Jaxhog · 06/11/2024 11:08

I hope Canada is reinforcing its borders.

😂 give over. Seriously??

biscuitandcake · 06/11/2024 11:22

Why are people asking Chat GPT things? There are better ways to counter misinformation. Is Chat GPT just how people think now?

friendlycat · 06/11/2024 11:22

Jaxhog · 06/11/2024 10:47

I think the whole election has exposed the US political system to be fundamentally flawed. The Democrats are out of touch and the Republicans have fallen for the 'glamour' of an self-styled 'idiot' cult leader. Because of the need for shedloads of money and the support of major self-interest groups to even stand a chance of being nominated, there is little chance of a decent candidate coming forward. I hope both parties have a good look at this mess and themselves over the next few years and reset. Let's hope there is still a functioning US for that to matter.

This is such a valid point.

It's hard to comprehend how initially the binary choice was between Biden and Trump and then latterly Harris and Trump.

It's very difficult to understand how a country as large as the USA gives its electorate such a poor choice in the first place to select from two elderly men.

How did the system bypass the younger candidates etc?

The arrogance and mishandling of Biden even standing again was just crazy when it was clear to see that he wasn't capable even of serving out his current term let alone serving a second one. Then the lying that The President is just fine etc when clear to see he wasn't. Then the VP steps forward and suddenly is presented as the best candidate for the job etc. etc.

wowzelcat · 06/11/2024 11:22

Lyannaa · 06/11/2024 11:20

A woman has never won the election Kamala Harris is an attorney and that still wasn't enough. They should have put a man up against Trump he would never have won.

I, for one most definitely have underestimated how reluctant Americans still are to elect a woman for president. I thought Hilary didn't get elected because of her baggage.

She is a woman and black. There is a very racist tradition of black women in the US of being perceived as bossy and 'uppity' and unfortunately I suspect this racist trope resonated with some voters. That's tragic.

thepariscrimefiles · 06/11/2024 11:22

lifeturnsonadime · 06/11/2024 11:06

From CNN

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/23/health/gender-affirming-surgery-study/index.html

The study found that a fraction of gender-affirming surgeries – about 7% – were done on patients ages 12 to 18, but some experts think that number sounds high. Wright said the majority of these surgeries tended to be among 17- and 18-year-olds and were the less-invasive procedures like breast or chest procedures

There are children having healthy body parts removed in the USA.

I don't know how many castrations there v removal of healthy breasts but it is untrue to claim that no children are being mutilated.

No evidence of the castration of children though and in the UK, 18 year olds are adults.

Lyannaa · 06/11/2024 11:24

blessedday · 06/11/2024 11:20

I am delighted by Trump's victory.

It's good news for women and girls everywhere that the most powerful politician in the world can say categorically what a woman is. Trump, Vance and co will not be afraid to stand up and state that a man cannot magically become a woman just by virtue of putting on a dress, a wig and a bit of lippy.

Trump's administration will also put a halt to the sterilisation and mutilation of children and the gender-woo ideology infiltrating schools. It's a good day for democracy and for women's rights.

Same old tired nonsense that was trotted out by Tory voters before our GE this year.

I'm GC and I do not vote on one issue - why would you?

Also you are rather easily led if you think the Trump administration cares about female rights. Being intolerant of people does not make you a supporter of women.

biscuitandcake · 06/11/2024 11:24

Lyannaa · 06/11/2024 11:24

Same old tired nonsense that was trotted out by Tory voters before our GE this year.

I'm GC and I do not vote on one issue - why would you?

Also you are rather easily led if you think the Trump administration cares about female rights. Being intolerant of people does not make you a supporter of women.

I think they care as much about the prison operations as they cared about the squirel.

budgetday · 06/11/2024 11:25

biscuitandcake · 06/11/2024 11:22

Why are people asking Chat GPT things? There are better ways to counter misinformation. Is Chat GPT just how people think now?

Because it takes two split seconds to generate a summary to copy and paste, confirming something I already know.

Livelovebehappy · 06/11/2024 11:26

wowzelcat · 06/11/2024 11:22

She is a woman and black. There is a very racist tradition of black women in the US of being perceived as bossy and 'uppity' and unfortunately I suspect this racist trope resonated with some voters. That's tragic.

Racism is not gender orientated. You never have a situation where people will say, ‘ah I’m racist, but only against black women, not black men’, and we know that Obama was elected by the Americans. Twice. So racist allegations against the American population is pretty false. Or no more so than anywhere else in the world.

Navyblue214 · 06/11/2024 11:28

Trump launched a trade war against China during his last term and pushed China policy on the right track, so his poor personal conduct may not mean that his administration is useless. He is not good at building consensus with allies, which is indeed worrying because now the United States should work with allies to contain the evil axis that poses a real threat to the rest of the world. Adopting isolationism is short-sighted and dangerous.

lifeturnsonadime · 06/11/2024 11:28

thepariscrimefiles · 06/11/2024 11:22

No evidence of the castration of children though and in the UK, 18 year olds are adults.

Ah so you've changed the parameters?

What has what happens in the UK got to do with the American election results or have you found yourself of on the wrong thread?

HecatesBees · 06/11/2024 11:28

Another2Cats · 06/11/2024 11:17

"No one is calling for abortions at birth"

You are mistaken. Abortions on request up until birth are freely available in Oregon. You can literally request an abortion the day before the baby is due.

The laws are similar, I believe, in New Mexico, Colorado, Minnesota, Michigan, Maryland, New Jersey and Vermont.

And how many women are having abortions at term, and how many of those are due to incompatibility with life?

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 06/11/2024 11:30

wowzelcat · 06/11/2024 11:20

The Independent literally called it that. Not just me. The Arizona prosecutor investigated his comments as a death threat. Not just me.
Sticking to what I said, which is truthful.

Do you think newspapers are neutral or infallible? If I linked a Daily Mail piece, would you think it must be correct?

And the (Democrat) Arizona prosecutor can say they're investigating something as a death threat all they like, it isn't going to get anywhere though as it's obviously not, they're just playing to their own side (you).

Anyone can watch the video about what he said and hear the truth, and when they do, do you think they're going to trust people who blatantly lie about it?

That's what I said earlier, when someone will lie to my face about something obvious, everything else is now in doubt.

I fucking hate defending Trump, but there's enough bad stuff about him without having to lie about it.
It just makes the ones who repeat the lies look stupid.

youheard · 06/11/2024 11:30

Livelovebehappy · 06/11/2024 11:20

Funniest and most ridiculous comment on here. Americans are largely unintelligent? Let’s hope they’re not on MN, because if they base the UKs intelligence on some of the posts on this site, then we’re screwed..

Sorry, you're the one asking, :o you agree with open borders, and that men should be allowed in womens’ sports, or that illegal immigrants can get free sex change treatment? " None of which are actually things Harris was promoting. You may not be American but you're not showing signs of brilliance getting all your notions from Russian bots on Facebook

lifeturnsonadime · 06/11/2024 11:30

thepariscrimefiles · 06/11/2024 11:22

No evidence of the castration of children though and in the UK, 18 year olds are adults.

Or have you not actually read the post.

Children as young as 12 have had gender affirming surgery in the USA.

That was the evidence of the CNN research.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/11/2024 11:30

SassK · 06/11/2024 11:15

He's won the popular vote this time too.

Only the second president in US history to achieve two non consecutive terms. Quite an achievement 🙌

Also the Senate and most probably the House, which at least means he should be able to get legislation through no matter how much some of us may disagree with it

My god, what a MESS the Democrats have made Sad

DressOrSkirt · 06/11/2024 11:31

Ytcsghisn · 06/11/2024 07:26

And there you have it people. This is exactly why people vote Trump. To retaliate against smug self righteous people like this.

Sometimes you wonder if they are sleeper agent of Trump. Because they do such a good job in getting people to vote for him.

Really? You'd waste your vote on retaliation?

thepariscrimefiles · 06/11/2024 11:33

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 06/11/2024 11:12

That’s how I imagine people with the intellect and comprehensions skills (or lack of) that you’ve shown with your comment speak.

More educated Americans vote Democrat and less educated Americans vote for Trump. The last things that the majority of Trump voters display are intellect and comprehension skills.

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