To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

What are the odds of trans identified people being murdered for being trans in the UK?

Very low but that doesn't stop tras from removing women's single sex spaces and representation.

Yet it was a democratic woman who could have EASILY avoided Roe Vs Wade being overturned. Explain that one

I've seen lots of posters mistakenly state she's a black woman. She's not, she is Indian.

I think both candidates are numpties, so let's see how the next four years pans out.

Why would he? He seized Crimea in 2014 and if he wins now he will go on to expand his messianic vision of Imperial Russia.

I would say the one who is anti woman is the one supporting the person who wants to eradicate female reproductive rights, and that sounds like you. Please continue to spout off these non issues that have no impact on your life while supporting policies that will ruin a lot of women's lives for the worse and keep talking about how other women are anti woman. Any woman who supported Trump is either vile or stupid, end of.

Totally agree with this, it's very similar in the UK I feel

It's not surprising that a country that doesn't believe women should have autonomy over their own bodies hasn't voted for a woman president. Let alone a woman president of colour.

It's still hugely disappointing though - not to mention really worrying with regard to the wars in the Middle East and Ukraine.

She is half black and half Indian.

That’s so interesting. I think he’s absolutely nailed it.

Exactly

Like so many with extreme positions the hard left never learn, so continue to be surprised by results like this when the sensible thing would have been to field a better candidate - and preferably while they still had time to do it

Though no Trump fan I'm just hoping he doesn't get shot, but what really offends me is the angst over so many black and hispanic people voting for him. It's almost as if the Democrats feel they have no minds of their own and are owed their votes, but then that's the arrogance involved ... the same ugliness which, unbelieveably, led Kamala to depart without even thanking her party workers

He still hasnt hit 270. Currently he is 266 to her 219

Riiiight. Because men being in spaces meant only for women aren't likely to affect....women?

Tell that to the poor women at the Edingburgh Rape Crisis Centre.

But the US cannot back down because that is exactly what China wants and that is why they have been supporting Russia. If Ukraine cannot win the war or the war continues indefinitely, China may risk invading Taiwan, which could be the beginning of World War III and no country can stay out of it.

What worries me more than Trump is that he'll not see out his term and then Vance will take over and that man is evil.

1 and 2) Biden put her in, she wasn’t elected. I think many can deal with a black woman being in the shadows as VP but President is too much.

He seems to have won the popular vote across all demographics so her race and gender can’t be the only reason.

@cavemum I listened to that podcast yesterday and thought that analysis made a lot of sense.

Exactly, considering he's an idiot who has no understanding of basic economics. But but tariffs. Tariffs will only raise the prices for end consumers, price increases means higher inflation. If he wasn't a moron, advised by morons, he would know that.

Trump was responsible for more drone strikes than Obama (technically he removed the need for white house approval for strikes leading to a much less restricted approach). So its not a democrat/republican issue. besides which, I don't think you can categorise it as a Democrat hating on Republican issue because whether you like or not, Trump's party is not like the normal Republican party. So the discussion is very different.

Well I stand corrected!

Never mind me...

Western civilisation is based on (in the main) Greek & Roman societeal principles.

Democracy comes from the Greek Demos.

Popularism come from the Roman Populus.

Both mean the same thing. Of the people.

The commentators on TV & radio getting upset that the ‘wrong’ candidate has won exemplify the issue.

Much like the surprise of Brexit it turns out ‘the people’ don’t think like University graduates who work in the media.

We need both main political parties in this country & the US to start actually taking people’s views seriously and not rubbishing everything that doesn’t chime with their ‘progressive’ world view as ignorant, far-right, bigoted or wrong headed.

Not a fan of Boris, Farage or Trump, but they cut through because they don’t treat 50% of the electorate like your racist drunken uncle at a family wedding.

No one who pretends men can be women for political gain, which opens the door to rapists in women’s prisons and the medicalisation and sterilisation of healthy children, is fit to govern. End of.

I don't think anyone in the UK particularly thinks Democrat = good, Republican = bad. At best most people think Democrat = comparatively sane, Republican = batshit.

What I have taken away from this, today is that the UK can no longer reasonably align ourselves with the US and call ourselves allies any more. And that's ok. The world has changed. What we do need to do is to sort out our relationships with the rest of Europe and to start thinking for ourselves.

The US is being influenced by people like Elon Musk, who don't believe in democracy and would like to see an elite in power, with little agency for 'ordinary' people. Money talks.

I think one very slight silver lining in all this is that this Trump victory will shut the conspiracy theorists up who think that the Illuminati conspired to steal the 2020 election.

@Another2Cats Oh come on, this really is ridiculous. Do you really think that he will try to overturn Article Two of the US Constitution?

It is only ridiculous to those who are not paying enough attention. He's just a figurehead, he's actually a moron who can be very easily manipulated because he worships money. The likes of Bezos and Musk would like nothing more than subvert democracy and they're the ones shoving money up his jacksie. He's already on record as saying to voters "vote for me this one time and you'll never have to vote again."

I find those words chilling. We have been here before and we are not learning the lessons of history. Populations have always sleepwalked their way to fascism. This time is no different.

How condescending.