To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

I remember reading somewhere that conservative politics are more compelling because they are based on the tangible past, whereas liberal politics are future based and more theoretical sounding.
Trump has been very good at describing the golden age of America

When it comes to voting, very few people vote primarily on the Trans issue. I myself am GC, however it did not form one part of my decision about who to vote for.

For lots of people it’s about money and paying the bills … people having 2 or 3 jobs, just to get by, in the States is not a new thing. I’ve not seen anything Trump has said that will make any difference to that.

Increasing the tariffs on imports will either make them inaccessible or unaffordable (particularly worrying with medicines). A great boom in manufacturing is unlikely ..and even if it were to happen, it’s not short term.

His plans for mass deportation may lead to higher wages for “legal” workers, but again costs will rise.

He’s cutting taxes, at the expense of public service… he’s very much into cutting the schools budget - so parents will have to make that shortfall up

It is worse than sad and depressing it is apocalyptic. I am scared and continue to live in fear of what our lives, and the lives of our children, will be.

I was way too emotional and now can’t edit or delete the post - teach me to write after a sleepless night crying!

Trump policies will result in the death of children . I just find it incredibly difficult to wrap my head around the idea that someone would vote to bring in policies that will end up with children dying. Refugees, war, climate change, poverty…

Gender dysphoria is not just due to chromosomes. It can be caused by hormonal exposure in the womb, and there is some good evidence that exposure endocrine disrupters in the environment as a foetus causes gender dysphoria. There may be a very good biological reason why the number of transgender people are on the rise…more endocrine disrupters. And not all transgender people have gender dysphoria.

When you say these men somehow believe they are women, it is pretty possible that they are experiencing something due to hormonal exposure.

How many sports places are being “taken” from girls? What is the percentage? I would think it is small. And many countries have unisex toilets. So what? Again, what are the odds a woman would be assaulted by a transgender woman in a public toilet?

@Drfosters

You don't have to. In a binary election the comparator is Trump.

I don't understand the scrutiny on how 'poor' a candidate she was, when her opposing opposite, by all reasonable standards, is awful. He is inarticulate. He is minimally educated. He has little experience in politics. He failed to curb immigration etc. But people voted for him because of HER weaknesses in those areas.

I'm confused that so many posters are calling America a racist misogynist country and that that is a factor in why Harris didn't win.

How can this be so? America has had a black female vice president and of the two people on the ticket to become the next president,, one of them was a black woman.

If the country hates women and blacks, how was this allowed to happen?

The US vacillates constantly between wanting to be the leader of the free world and in some cases actively undermining cooperation systems between other countries that might negate that ambition). And then getting quite upset that for some reason people expect them to be leader of the free world and retreating. We are in the retreating phase.

It's not that simple though, because Putin's unlikely to just stop at Ukraine if he's successful.

You only need to look at our policy of appeasement with the Nazis to see how 'staying out of it' works out.

Gosh you're really anti woman aren't you?

The answer to how many men should be allowed cheat in women's sport and how many men should have access to vulnerable women in what ought to be single sex spaces is 0,

The answer to how many children should be able to mutilate their bodies is 0.

Women's sports and spaces should not be available to any subset of men, no matter what they believe themselves to be.

Scared and living in fear? Really?
Leaders come and go and the pendulum swings both ways. Life will go on.

Yabu, I am delighted!

Really interesting. That first statement seems to really hit the mark. I don't like podcasts but might give this a shot.

No, Trump is revolting. But Harris was not an inspirational candidate with clear policies in the way that Obama was. Biden should never have tried to cling on. If he had said earlier that he wouldn't run again, there would have been time for a new more popular (or less already unpopular) Democratic candidate to emerge from the field.

They voted for him because he has policies they preferred! In the end that is what matters!

Interesting... I've been meaning to listen to this podcast for a while, now seems like a good time to start!

This democrat = good, republican = bad cliche is exceedingly reductive and silly.

Was it a republican who significantly increased the use of drone strikes in countries like Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia?

Was it a republican who had the moniker “Deporter in Chief” for their record number of deportations?

No, that was all OBAMA. The demi god we all expected to worship. Carry on believing everything the media tells you.

It’s scary how gullible and uninformed most people are.

Yes exactly why one side based their argument on facts the other side did not and that’s why I am now very disappointed with my fellow humans

Yes, thank you.

This feels wildly one sided. I totally agree that the labour party and the American democratic party can often get the tone wrong, and I call it out when I see it.

But it's frankly ridiculous to point to eg Tim Walz as disconnected from 'real people' when Trump has a solid gold toilet, a New York skyscraper with his name on it, his own private jets and a string of prime properties and golf courses across the world.

He can't even hold a 'real' conversation with his own children, far less with the ordinary working population of America.

I think a lot of Brits underestimate how different the political landscape is in the US. Politics is much more tribal in the States, and there isn't really a centre ground there whereas in the UK, the party closest to the centre usually wins, and voters are much more fickle.
Also, equating the Republicans to the Tories and the Dems to Labour is a false equivalent. The Dems are more akin to the One Nation moderate Tories (before Johnson chucked them out), and the Republicans are more like Reform.

This.

Plus Trump recognised he needed to push the economy and talk about money in people's pockets. Which he did. He promised them they would be financially better off. They've had inflation and rising costs under Biden. They were promised different under Trump.

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You cannot win thoughts and minds by shouting them down and demonizing them.

Seemed to work for Trump, @Backwoods57

How many women should be raped in prison by men who think they are women before you stop and say something is wrong with it?
https://news.wttw.com/2020/02/19/lawsuit-female-prisoner-says-she-was-raped-transgender-inmate

How many girls should be sexually assaulted in their school toilets before you object?
https://apnews.com/article/loudoun-virginia-lawsuit-transgender-bathroom-sexual-assault-a26168568cc20c2aa6cec9bef50e7c3f

How many women should lose medals to men?
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/female-athletes-lost-nearly-900-medals-to-transgender-competitors-un-report-6857482

TBH, you should actually do some research outside of your own echo chamber, everything you're posting is directly from TRAs on X.

As for Trump winning, I'm absolutely not surprised at all. Anyone who is surprised should try looking at what the other side are saying.