To be so disappointed in people - Trump voters especially

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I feel absolutely stunned that despite all that has been said and done Trump is likely to get the chance to make the world burn a little faster.

I am afraid for a future so full of anger and hate.

How is Trump going to reduce the grocery bills?

I think it comes down to people being poor and scared.

And angry that since 2008 their standard of living, which was pretty damn good, has slid off into a distance so far that many people dont even remember a time when it was good.

Its the same as here. Its the same as many many places in Europe, and probably worldwide (but Im not up to par on the world news)

people see that their children have less opportunities than they had, and are being saddled with huge debts before they even start, and costs of living that are eyewatering, and likely to stay at home for years due to property skyrocketing.

They see services cut to the core

When people are scared for their own survival its easy to pitch them against 'others' who may appear to be getting something that they dont get, be that financially or even in attention and 'special status'.

It was always going to happen, because its the natural consequence of really successful unregulated market forces.

Listening to the radio and input from the US, it seems the economy was the major driver. This isn't to say issues such as abortion, immigration and foreign affairs weren't important but that the priority for many voters was the economy. Neither does it mean he's liked but that he is seen as the more trusted one on the economy. I am a Brit and not in a position to judge the Americans for who they voted for and I have to respect their democratic decision. I am not a fan of Trump however and I do think the Democrats should take a hard look on why they've failed to capture enough support.

It’s the tide rn in the western politics tbh. We might have our turn with Reform UK at some point, considering how many people actually voted for them this past election. You can’t call fed up people stupid all the time. Actually, we voted Brexit didn’t we? Trump obviously has a great PR team. He’s the man who invented the term ‘fake news’ so he can get away with almost anything he says. He’s endorsed by Elon Musk ffs. So imagine the scale of campaign? Elon has been giving away $1m to Trump supporters. Democrats were easy opponents to pick apart. For those who say that it’s racially motivated - think Obama.
ah, I miss the days when good old Barack was in the office…

Do you know when binary gender became a cultural norm…with the Victorians. Before that with humoral medicine, gender was on a spectrum. Cross dressing was pretty common at the Jacobean Court. Women were seen as lustier than men, and orgasm was seen as essential to reproduction. There are cultural norms to gender and sexuality, and they change.

There are a few transgender people, but they are here, and children do need to know that, just like they need to know there are gay or bisexual people. It doesn’t have to be confusing or fearful. I learned about this stuff in basic biology classes. It is O level stuff.

What are inappropriate sexual orientation concepts? Ones you define?

There are a few people who present as female, as my thread explained, but they are genetically male. They may not even know they are male. So, all transgender people need to be banned from sport? Should we ban anyone from sport who has any genetic edge then?

This.

sorry bit too emotional -will try edit it to be more clear - I meant trump who will undoubtedly end escalating the wars in Gaza and Ukraine and people dying as a result, climate change being denied and worsening climate crisis, that utter nut job being in charge of vaccination programmes and children dying of entirely preventable illnesses, refugees dying crossing the border, abolition of LGTBQIA* rights which we know will lead to increase in suicide and self harm in the community….

if I could single handily bring back Roe v Wade, I would. I can’t believe there will be so many children growing up without their mummies because they couldn’t access healthcare.

If you truly think this, then you haven't been paying attention.

Trump is a facist and is absolutely going to do his level best to change the US and the world beyond recognition. This is the 21st century's equivalent of Germany voting for hitler.

The catastrophising is very tedious. Happens with every major world event.

Trump has been president before, this mantra that “he’s going to destroy the world” doesn’t exactly hold true now does it. Stop falling for all the scare mongering. Quite frankly it’s pathetic.

Women who voted for Trump ☹️
Turkeys voting for Xmas

at no point did I mention Trump. What had he got to do with anything I said?

I am allowed to have my opinion on a candidate just like anyone else and I don’t have to form it in relation to anyone else. This is what I mean with these threads- someone has a different opinion to you and you basically come out all guns blazing! I personally think she was inarticulate and didn’t present herself well!. She might have a billion degrees but doesn’t mean I felt she can across that way. I have quite a few qualifications myself but I know I’d come across as a bit of an idiot if I put myself up for election. If you like her then great- We live in a democracy. We can from our own options about people without being told we are awful.

I don’t personally think either candidate was the best the US had to offer. I hope that given the next election it will be 2 completely new and well qualified people who will reset and give the country a real and genuine choice.

Won’t let me edit but just to be incredibly clear - I meant trump supporters voting for policies that will end in children’s deaths!

Males who lie about being female aren't being banned from all sport. Just female sport.

And gender is bunkum. Sex is what matters.

And not just Ukraine - do people really think Putin will stop there? This is just terrible.

I agree it's most urgent that Labour learn lessons very very quickly from this. The main mistake the Democrats made was to focus on how bad Trump is rather than having a vision for the country. Also, it may seem a niche issue on here but transgender ideology poisons everything it touches and the Democrats were utterly invested in it. They ignored women's rights to female only spaces, sports, prisons and rape crisis centres. They - especially Walz - supported the medicalisation of gender distress in children which resulted in thousands of children receiving hormones and surgery. The Republicans found it easy to position themselves against this idiocy. Once a political party abandons sanity to this extent they will have great difficulty convincing the electorate that they are capable of making informed decisions about anything. I loathe Trump but the Democrats are responsible for losing this election. Labour need to listen to voters on immigration especially and stop shutting down debate. I despair of how the left dismiss people as bigots rather than make a case for their policies.

How is James O’Brien going to come to terms with this today?

What makes you think that Putin won’t stop there?

You can't and the left needs to row back from that where they have done it. Unfortunately I think that you can reach a stage where even if regular politicians are genuinely trying to listen and not talk down to regular people, there is so little trust that people just don't want to engage or are starting from the mindset that the other person hates them. That is really hard to deal with because you can't persuade people that you don't dislike them especially in the teeth of hostile social media and outrage algorythms. You can end up accidentally stoking misplaced grievances more by the reassurance that people are indeed right to be aggrieved

Calling people right wing facsists and Nazis is how we got here.

Spot on.

Harris winding up with 261 electoral college votes is presuming that the rest of those go to Harris.

it Isn’t hard to see though however awful we see Trump how if you are disenfranchised (and the Biden administration has hardly set the world alight) small town Christian American who worries about the economy and immigration would vote for Trump - loathe him or not when he is in flow he has what my teenagers call aura.

it is how Hitler came to power (because after all the Nazis were voted in) it is how if Reform got a decent leader (and it isn’t Nigel Farage) they could come into power in the UK - Boris Johnson has it as well

but I agree with Trisha in Lorraine he has to remain fit and in power because dear god if a Trump administration makes you scared a Vance one is goddamn awful

By that you’re implying all those who voted for Trump are deluded/thick etc
Far better to start looking at WHY they voted this way. Trump won a big portion of the Latino vote. Why do you think that was?

Well, the US has stayed out of things as an isolationist in the past, and it always ended badly. If they had supported Chiang Kai-shek in the Chinese Civil War, China would not have become a communist country.

Biological born men, who have more muscle mass, thicker bones etc shouldn't compete with Biological women. Biological men, shouldn't be able to strip search women and girls. People who have penises and have used them to sexually assault people, shouldn't be in Biological women's prisons. It really is simple. We can't do everything we want because we protect children. Biological men don't get to do everything they want, to protect us all, but especially women and girls. Again, it's really simple.